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AI crawlers need to be more respectful

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Re: AI crawlers need to be more respectful

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you feel the same way about Google spidering for their commercial search engine?

Google sent traffic to your website. You were at least getting something in return.

Emphasis on were, since they've made their search such utter shit in the quest for ad revenue that they're now going to have their own AI sum up your results (badly) instead to attempt to solve the problem they created.

Re: AI crawlers need to be more respectful

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post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you feel the same way about Google spidering for their commercial search engine?

Google sent traffic to your website. You were at least getting something in return.

Yeah, and when Google stopped sending traffic, people sued them, as they should.

Re: AI crawlers need to be more respectful

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"One crawler downloaded 73 TB of zipped HTML files in May 2024, with almost 10 TB in a single day. This cost us over $5,000 in bandwidth charges, and we had to block the crawler." Wow. That's some seriously disrespectful crawling.

at that scale, they could just ship some usb disks and a prepaid return postage.

Re: AI crawlers need to be more respectful

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Just 2 buggy crawlers seems not that many, sure they each had large impact, but given that there are likely hundreds if not thousands of such crawlers out there it's a rather small number. It seems that most crawlers are actually respectful.

How many foundation AI companies are there? 2 is a pretty big chunk of that pie.

Re: AI crawlers need to be more respectful

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Not only that, even commoncrawl had issues (about a year ago) where AWS couldn't keep up with the demand for downloading the WARCs.

As someone who written a lot of crawling infrastructure and managed large scale crawling operations, respectful crawling is important.

That being said it always seems like google has had a massively unfair advantage for crawling not only with budget but with brandname, and perceived value. It sometimes felt hard to reach out to websites and ask them to allow our crawlers, and grey tactics were often used. And I'm always for a more open internet.

I think regular releases of content in a compressed format would go a long way, but there would always be a race for having the freshest content. What might be better is offering the content in machine format, XML or JSON or even SOAP. Which is usually better for what the sites crawling want to achieve, cheaper for you to serve, and cheaper and less resource intensive compared to crawling. (Have them "cache" locally by enforcing rate limiting and signup)

Re: AI crawlers need to be more respectful

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post #10

"One crawler downloaded 73 TB of zipped HTML files in May 2024, with almost 10 TB in a single day. This cost us over $5,000 in bandwidth charges, and we had to block the crawler." Wow. That's some seriously disrespectful crawling.

The more interesting thing for me is: the crawler didn't detect it on its own that it racked up 10TB from one site in one day.

If I would design a crawler, I'd keep at least some basic form of tracking, if only to check for people deliberately trolling me by delivering me an infinite chain of garbage.

Re: AI crawlers need to be more respectful

#20
Shouldn't all sites have some kind of bandwidth / cost limiting in place? Not to say that AI crawlers shouldn't be more careful, but there are always malicious actors on the internet, seems foolish not to have some kind of defense in place
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