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For advertising, Firefox now collects user data by default

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Re: For advertising, Firefox now collects user data by default

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Says the site that only offers one big button "accept" to its cookies :( :( There's no "Nope". Edit: Weird, some people seem to have received more options than me. For me there was just one option to accept (Zustimmen) and nothing else. Everything was in German but I read German anyway. I was on mobile though, perhaps this is why? I can't see it again because I already pressed it. A practice (pay or accept cookies) w…

Having only "accept all" and say "configure", or even a highlighted "accept all" and a very small or even just unhighlighted "deny all" is against GDPR. IIRC:

- choices presented must have the same visual weight (e.g for buttons)

- there must be no default choice preselected (e.g for radio/toggles)

- the fallback when no choice is made (e.g a dismissal or a "failure to display" a.k.a bug or nag blocker) must be equivalent to deny all

Instead we get this mess because enforcement requires litigation from users and these companies make just enough to claim "oh we thought it was Ok plus we go through a off the shelf pluggable third party so not on us" plausible deniability.

from https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/PDF/?uri=CELE...

> If the data subject's consent is to be given following a request by electronic means, the request must be clear, concise and not unnecessarily disruptive to the use of the service for which it is provided.

> Consent should not be regarded as freely given if the data subject has no genuine or free choice or is unable to refuse or withdraw consent without detriment.

from https://www.edpb.europa.eu/sites/default/files/files/file1/e...:

> Example 6a: A website provider puts into place a script that will block content from being visible except for a request to accept cookies and the information about which cookies are being set and for what purposes data will be processed. There is no possibility to access the content without clicking on the “Accept cookies” button. Since the data subject is not presented with a genuine choice, its consent is not freely given.

> 41. This does not constitute valid consent, as the provision of the service relies on the data subject clicking the “Accept cookies” button. It is not presented with a genuine choice.

> The use of pre-ticked opt-in boxes is invalid under the GDPR. Silence or inactivity on the part of the data subject, as well as merely proceeding with a service cannot be regarded as an active indication of choice.

> In the digital context, many services need personal data to function, hence, data subjects receive multiple consent requests that need answers through clicks and swipes every day. This may result in a certain degree of click fatigue: when encountered too many times, the actual warning effect of consent mechanisms is diminishing.

> This results in a situation where consent questions are no longer read. This is a particular risk to data subjects, as, typically, consent is asked for actions that are in principle unlawful without their consent. The GDPR places upon controllers the obligation to develop ways to tackle this issue

Re: For advertising, Firefox now collects user data by default

#12
post #5

Already discussed quite a few times: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40954535 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40966312 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40952330 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40971247 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40965161 ...and probably a few I missed.

Thx. Nevertheless, https://xkcd.com/1053/ still applies. I'm one of lucky 10000 today.

Re: For advertising, Firefox now collects user data by default

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post #2

Says the site that only offers one big button "accept" to its cookies :( :( There's no "Nope". Edit: Weird, some people seem to have received more options than me. For me there was just one option to accept (Zustimmen) and nothing else. Everything was in German but I read German anyway. I was on mobile though, perhaps this is why? I can't see it again because I already pressed it. A practice (pay or accept cookies) w…

I get a different banner - it's a huge square with a wall of German text that I can't understand. There are three buttons, also in German, and I have no idea which button to press. Guess I won't be reading the article.

Re: For advertising, Firefox now collects user data by default

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post #9

So how do we turn it off? Found it. Go to settings, type privacy into the search box. The last item under "Firefox Data Collection and Use" is a check box labelled "Allow websites to perform privacy-preserving ad measurement". It was already unchecked on mine when I looked just now.

Yeah on desktop. On mobile it's a lot harder. It's still turned on and you have to use a workaround to enable about: config because they don't bother to make this option visible in settings.

> and you have to use a workaround to enable about: config

I know of no workaround short of installing from the Beta or Nightly channel.

Re: For advertising, Firefox now collects user data by default

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post #2

Says the site that only offers one big button "accept" to its cookies :( :( There's no "Nope". Edit: Weird, some people seem to have received more options than me. For me there was just one option to accept (Zustimmen) and nothing else. Everything was in German but I read German anyway. I was on mobile though, perhaps this is why? I can't see it again because I already pressed it. A practice (pay or accept cookies) w…

These dark patterns will prevail. However, I honestly expect their reasoning to be "every single user reading heise.de should have a cookie banner blocking enabled in their Ad Blocker". Also, I think you can accept it for free when you click "Einstellungen", this is not golem.de.

they will not prevail, unless we collectively let them do so. they are already probably in breach of GDPR, and I don't see the EU backing down on this stuff.

Re: For advertising, Firefox now collects user data by default

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post #9

So how do we turn it off? Found it. Go to settings, type privacy into the search box. The last item under "Firefox Data Collection and Use" is a check box labelled "Allow websites to perform privacy-preserving ad measurement". It was already unchecked on mine when I looked just now.

Yeah on desktop. On mobile it's a lot harder. It's still turned on and you have to use a workaround to enable about: config because they don't bother to make this option visible in settings.

chrome://geckoview/content/config.xhtml

source: https://connect.mozilla.org/t5/ideas/firefox-for-android-abo...

Re: For advertising, Firefox now collects user data by default

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post #6
post #2

Says the site that only offers one big button "accept" to its cookies :( :( There's no "Nope". Edit: Weird, some people seem to have received more options than me. For me there was just one option to accept (Zustimmen) and nothing else. Everything was in German but I read German anyway. I was on mobile though, perhaps this is why? I can't see it again because I already pressed it. A practice (pay or accept cookies) w…

> A practice (pay or accept cookies) which was actually ruled in breach with GDPR but many German sites seem to do this somehow. Our Data Protection Agencies ruled it okay. There was a recent court case that called it into question again, so we’ll see how things develop. FWIW, my normal blockers manage to block the heise.de pay-or-track banner, different from, e.g. golem.

what data protection agencies?
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