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In many cases we need something less like AI and more like a basic algorithm (2023)

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Re: In many cases we need something less like AI and more like a basic algorithm (2023)

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Post by pomtato »

allears wrote: post #5
ldjkfkdsjnv wrote: post #4

Claiming that AI is not useful is absurd and oxymoronic. If you cant figure out how to use it, you are locked in a paradigm that is becoming obsolete.

The post doesn't claim that AI is useless. It just makes the point that sometimes there are much simpler (faster, cheaper) solutions that are just as effective if not more so.

well to steal a quote, "Neural networks are second best at almost everything"

Re: In many cases we need something less like AI and more like a basic algorithm (2023)

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Post by rightbyte »

not_your_vase wrote: post #2

This doesn't seem to be about improvement nor about algorithms. It's about bolting AI on top of everything (because that's the style at the time) for the sake of being able to tell that it has AI. From marketing pov it kind of makes sense. If I think about it, if there are two otherwise equal toilet brushes, I will pick the one that has AI too.

> If I think about it, if there are two otherwise equal toilet brushes, I will pick the one that has AI too.

Really? Will you, or do you believe other people will? (I realize toilet brush is a metaphor).

Re: In many cases we need something less like AI and more like a basic algorithm (2023)

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Post by appsDev »

I completely agree, I think even in some cases eventually AI should be combined with a basic algorithm, for example chatGPT sometimes gives wrong math answers, which makes sense because it is just generating what it "says" based on it's data. If it could take the equation it finds though and plug it into a simple calculator algorithm then the answer would be correct. Just simple example, but you know what I mean..

Re: In many cases we need something less like AI and more like a basic algorithm (2023)

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Post by notact »

darby_nine wrote: post #7
ldjkfkdsjnv wrote: post #4

Claiming that AI is not useful is absurd and oxymoronic. If you cant figure out how to use it, you are locked in a paradigm that is becoming obsolete.

I honestly have no clue what people expect ai to "obsolete". The world doesn't work like that.

My friend is a tax accountant. I hope I am wrong, but I am worried for her entire profession. It seems more about memorization of the massive & enormously complex tax code, and less about actual problem solving. This seems very well suited to an AI. I suspect such professions will be decimated in the near future.

Re: In many cases we need something less like AI and more like a basic algorithm (2023)

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Post by BriggyDwiggs42 »

not_your_vase wrote: post #2

This doesn't seem to be about improvement nor about algorithms. It's about bolting AI on top of everything (because that's the style at the time) for the sake of being able to tell that it has AI. From marketing pov it kind of makes sense. If I think about it, if there are two otherwise equal toilet brushes, I will pick the one that has AI too.

If the prices were comparable id take the non ai one because the manufacturing cost probably went into better materials

Re: In many cases we need something less like AI and more like a basic algorithm (2023)

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Post by BriggyDwiggs42 »

darby_nine wrote: post #7
ldjkfkdsjnv wrote: post #4

Claiming that AI is not useful is absurd and oxymoronic. If you cant figure out how to use it, you are locked in a paradigm that is becoming obsolete.

I honestly have no clue what people expect ai to "obsolete". The world doesn't work like that.

I sort of agree, but this ignores a more realistic problem. In areas where demand for units (things or services) isn’t likely to grow at least proportionally to price drops, the introduction of a tool which makes one person 3x as productive will drive down wages and force people out of the profession.

Re: In many cases we need something less like AI and more like a basic algorithm (2023)

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Post by jondwillis »

appsDev wrote: post #14

I completely agree, I think even in some cases eventually AI should be combined with a basic algorithm, for example chatGPT sometimes gives wrong math answers, which makes sense because it is just generating what it "says" based on it's data. If it could take the equation it finds though and plug it into a simple calculator algorithm then the answer would be correct. Just simple example, but you know what I mean..

AI (language models) are already being combined with basic algorithms as you say to solve issues like not being able to “do” math.

Re: In many cases we need something less like AI and more like a basic algorithm (2023)

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Post by jondwillis »

notact wrote: post #15
darby_nine wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I honestly have no clue what people expect ai to "obsolete". The world doesn't work like that.

My friend is a tax accountant. I hope I am wrong, but I am worried for her entire profession. It seems more about memorization of the massive & enormously complex tax code, and less about actual problem solving. This seems very well suited to an AI. I suspect such professions will be decimated in the near future.

Worry about your friend’s human outcomes of her profession being automated out of existence, but not for the profession of tax accounting. The less people that have to waste their lives parsing through tax code documents, the better, IMO.
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