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Short-term rentals disrupting SF housing market

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Re: Short-term rentals disrupting SF housing market

#11
This kind of lettings are a PITA for the neighbours, with or without AirBnB. I used to live in a city with high level of tourism and the apartment next door was rented in a short term fashion. Sometimes the people was nice, others they were noisy, there's nothing AirBnB or the owner can really do apart from removing the people form the property if they are breaking the law or community rules.

Taxes and laws are a totally different beast here.

Re: Short-term rentals disrupting SF housing market

#12
post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not mentioned is if they tried to talk to their neighbour. Was the neighbor who had control of the unit as a tenant on the lease home when the room was rented out? I don't think so. The article opens with these paragraphs: "First came the noisy upstairs neighbors who said they were just "renting the place for a couple of nights" but refused to tone it down. Then came the people who would try to open the front door of…

..DID talk to those visitors.. They need to talk to the person the visitors are renting from. Is that doesn't work, they can go one level higher up.

If they're shared tenants in a building owned by a landlord, they need to report the Airbnb to their landlord, followed by a notice-and-cure letter demanding that the landlord end the use of the building for Airbnb rentals. Conversion of an apartment in your building into an ad hoc hotel is a material change for any number of obvious reasons.

Re: Short-term rentals disrupting SF housing market

#13
post #9

"We used Airbnb happily in Europe last summer," said Thieme. "I want to extend them the benefit of the doubt that they are still evolving their business model and have had explosive growth, but they need to evolve appropriate mechanisms of monitoring and control. They should deal with zoning laws and tax laws more aggressively and realistically, or they will antagonize people." tl;dr: "We like Airbnb when others are…

The overwhelming majority of those inconvenienced by abusive Airbnb listings have never previously heard of the site. It's unhelpful to single out a single person who had used Airbnb as a way of warding off criticisms of Airbnb abuse.

Well, I didn't exactly single the guy out -- he was presented to me by a major news outlet as poster boy for the problem.

Re: Short-term rentals disrupting SF housing market

#15
all too often, the rules, laws and regulations in place that make the old way of doing business so boring and hard are actually in place for a very good reason.

{{citation needed}}

I can just as easily say that "the rules, laws and regulations in place that make the old way of doing business so boring and hard are actually in place because of corruption, greed, nepotism, and/or incompetence and are universally immoral, unjust and should be ignored".

And on a semi-related note... did anybody else notice how the phrase "scarce rental housing" kept cropping up in that article? Hmmm... so if there is actually demand for more long-term rental housing, and that demand is not being met, I'd bet money that the primary reason is drumroll please government interference. And I'd be strongly tempted to suspect that said interference has it's root in more corrupted relationships involving the local government and powerful special interests.

Re: Short-term rentals disrupting SF housing market

#16
Two of my coworkers are in SF right now for WWDC, having flown there from Europe, and their AirBnB host was just handed an eviction notice for subletting - they have to leave immediately. So this article feels extremely ... timely.

And I'll be in SF in 2 weeks for Google IO, also staying with an AirBnB host. Not the kind of article I want to read before flying out there :-)

Re: Short-term rentals disrupting SF housing market

#17

Two of my coworkers are in SF right now for WWDC, having flown there from Europe, and their AirBnB host was just handed an eviction notice for subletting - they have to leave immediately. So this article feels extremely ... timely. And I'll be in SF in 2 weeks for Google IO, also staying with an AirBnB host. Not the kind of article I want to read before flying out there :-)

Do you know how AirBnB is handling this for your coworkers? This kind of real-time fiasco is exactly the reason I've been hesitant to rent on AirBnB, so I'd be curious to see how they resolve the situation for the renters.

Re: Short-term rentals disrupting SF housing market

#18
post #10

Much of the criticism of Airbnb in this article seems to stem from renters "subletting" their apartments to vacationers. Why does Airbnb allow renters to list their apartments on Airbnb at all? In virtually no case does a renter have a lease that permits Airbnb-style listings; the boilerplate lease that virtually everyone works from requires landlord approval for each subletter. It seems unconscionable to rent an apa…

and airbnb really doesnt care about this or they would take further steps to ensure that their rentors have the authority to rent the place. they say they do, but they don't. without renters i think airbnb would be in trouble..how many homeowners really want strangers coming in and out of their home regularly?

Re: Short-term rentals disrupting SF housing market

#19
post #17

Two of my coworkers are in SF right now for WWDC, having flown there from Europe, and their AirBnB host was just handed an eviction notice for subletting - they have to leave immediately. So this article feels extremely ... timely. And I'll be in SF in 2 weeks for Google IO, also staying with an AirBnB host. Not the kind of article I want to read before flying out there :-)

Do you know how AirBnB is handling this for your coworkers? This kind of real-time fiasco is exactly the reason I've been hesitant to rent on AirBnB, so I'd be curious to see how they resolve the situation for the renters.

They headed out to see the keynote at 9am and I think they'll deal with the problem afterwards. Priorities, and all that ;-) If I find out what happened and it's relevant I'll report back.

Re: Short-term rentals disrupting SF housing market

#20
post #10

Much of the criticism of Airbnb in this article seems to stem from renters "subletting" their apartments to vacationers. Why does Airbnb allow renters to list their apartments on Airbnb at all? In virtually no case does a renter have a lease that permits Airbnb-style listings; the boilerplate lease that virtually everyone works from requires landlord approval for each subletter. It seems unconscionable to rent an apa…

Question: Why does Airbnb need to deal with this at all?

I mean, if these apartments were being advertised on craigslist or local classifieds would you think they need to deal with it?

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