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America Has an Answer to the Biggest Problem with EVs

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Re: America Has an Answer to the Biggest Problem with EVs

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TL;DR: used EVs are "cheap" these days. As in, they're finally getting into a sub-$30K range. Meanwhile, I'm going to drive my 2010 Honda Fit (that I bought for $5K in 2017) practically forever. I'm making 6 figures as a software engineer, as does my wife. We have no kids. I have no idea who are these people buying new cars, or who are all these people for whom $30K is "cheap". I can pay that out of pocket, but unles…

I do feel that.

Re: America Has an Answer to the Biggest Problem with EVs

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TL;DR: used EVs are "cheap" these days. As in, they're finally getting into a sub-$30K range. Meanwhile, I'm going to drive my 2010 Honda Fit (that I bought for $5K in 2017) practically forever. I'm making 6 figures as a software engineer, as does my wife. We have no kids. I have no idea who are these people buying new cars, or who are all these people for whom $30K is "cheap". I can pay that out of pocket, but unles…

When I purchased the base model Ram Classic pick-up in 2021, it cost $27K. It has the same engine and drive train as the $50K model, just not as pretty. A buddy of mine wanted to know why I did this and I told him both trucks do the same thing, but I have all that extra money in the bank. He just blinked at me and walked away, because he's an idiot.

I also needed the truck, he didn't need his, he just wanted to have what his other buddies had.

Re: America Has an Answer to the Biggest Problem with EVs

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> Joe Biden’s climate agenda is all about new-EV sales. The unstated bit is American new-EV sales. > Electric vehicles made up about 8 percent of new car sales in the United States last year, compared with more than a quarter in China, where new EVs can go for about $10,000 or less. Except, we've also made those unaffordable by > Biden has quadrupled tariffs on electric vehicles from China — from 25% to an eye-wateri…

You can find balance. You can create a tariff structure where legacy auto is only protected if they’re producing the vehicles at the desired affordable price points. If they don’t produce them at that price point, you let China and BYD steamroll them to deliver the necessary consumer excess and climate goals. Otherwise, you’re just using regulatory capture to protect legacy auto profits and overly expensive vehicles.…

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Re: America Has an Answer to the Biggest Problem with EVs

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TL;DR: used EVs are "cheap" these days. As in, they're finally getting into a sub-$30K range. Meanwhile, I'm going to drive my 2010 Honda Fit (that I bought for $5K in 2017) practically forever. I'm making 6 figures as a software engineer, as does my wife. We have no kids. I have no idea who are these people buying new cars, or who are all these people for whom $30K is "cheap". I can pay that out of pocket, but unles…

> Oh, they won't fare well in a collision with F-150? Then maybe we can remove those from the streets outside specific delivery and maintenance hours, and impose a lower speed limit for heavier cars. A few things: 1. We should tax vehicles according to their road damage, i.e., O((weight/axles)^4*axles); 2. Vehicles with bumpers/hoods higher than Xcm should never be allowed in the left lane; 3. Vehicles with gas milea…

Good grief, you're my hero! But seriously, that kind of talk could get you elected.

Re: America Has an Answer to the Biggest Problem with EVs

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TL;DR: used EVs are "cheap" these days. As in, they're finally getting into a sub-$30K range. Meanwhile, I'm going to drive my 2010 Honda Fit (that I bought for $5K in 2017) practically forever. I'm making 6 figures as a software engineer, as does my wife. We have no kids. I have no idea who are these people buying new cars, or who are all these people for whom $30K is "cheap". I can pay that out of pocket, but unles…

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Re: America Has an Answer to the Biggest Problem with EVs

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TL;DR: used EVs are "cheap" these days. As in, they're finally getting into a sub-$30K range. Meanwhile, I'm going to drive my 2010 Honda Fit (that I bought for $5K in 2017) practically forever. I'm making 6 figures as a software engineer, as does my wife. We have no kids. I have no idea who are these people buying new cars, or who are all these people for whom $30K is "cheap". I can pay that out of pocket, but unles…

> We could make $5K glorified golf carts street-legal

They did that: https://www.cato.org/blog/im-government-im-here-give-you-gol... (the article is kind of snarky but 100% accurate).

And I know people who bought those free golf carts (that's how I heard about the program in the first place - if I had a place to park the thing I would have done it myself), drove them around a little and then they broke and that was the end of that.

Nice waste of government money.

Re: America Has an Answer to the Biggest Problem with EVs

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Oh, they won't fare well in a collision with F-150? Then maybe we can remove those from the streets outside specific delivery and maintenance hours, and impose a lower speed limit for heavier cars. A few things: 1. We should tax vehicles according to their road damage, i.e., O((weight/axles)^4*axles); 2. Vehicles with bumpers/hoods higher than Xcm should never be allowed in the left lane; 3. Vehicles with gas milea…

Good grief, you're my hero! But seriously, that kind of talk could get you elected.

Elected maybe in California, but not most of the US and definitely not in Texas, Florida, etc.

Re: America Has an Answer to the Biggest Problem with EVs

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https://archive.is/96yi1 I feel what this article fails to mention is how the depreciation of EVs compares to depreciation of gas cars. Apparently, based on google searches, cars depreciate 15% when driven off the lot, and then a further 15% per year after that. So it looks like EVs are depreciating quicker. This would definitely be a good deal, as they also have lower operating costs.

This is why used hybrid RAV4’s with 40K miles are selling over MSRP.

I think these stats are biases towards junky brands with high turnovers.

Re: America Has an Answer to the Biggest Problem with EVs

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TL;DR: used EVs are "cheap" these days. As in, they're finally getting into a sub-$30K range. Meanwhile, I'm going to drive my 2010 Honda Fit (that I bought for $5K in 2017) practically forever. I'm making 6 figures as a software engineer, as does my wife. We have no kids. I have no idea who are these people buying new cars, or who are all these people for whom $30K is "cheap". I can pay that out of pocket, but unles…

It is fun to think of all the things we can do and dream up but you have to put it into real dollars and economic output for any real progress to be made. Next you need to convince others that your idea is better than what they have now. Part of convincing people you are right will be to understand why people purchase what they purchase.

Re: America Has an Answer to the Biggest Problem with EVs

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TL;DR: used EVs are "cheap" these days. As in, they're finally getting into a sub-$30K range. Meanwhile, I'm going to drive my 2010 Honda Fit (that I bought for $5K in 2017) practically forever. I'm making 6 figures as a software engineer, as does my wife. We have no kids. I have no idea who are these people buying new cars, or who are all these people for whom $30K is "cheap". I can pay that out of pocket, but unles…

> Oh, they won't fare well in a collision with F-150? Then maybe we can remove those from the streets outside specific delivery and maintenance hours, and impose a lower speed limit for heavier cars. A few things: 1. We should tax vehicles according to their road damage, i.e., O((weight/axles)^4*axles); 2. Vehicles with bumpers/hoods higher than Xcm should never be allowed in the left lane; 3. Vehicles with gas milea…

>2. Vehicles with bumpers/hoods higher than Xcm should never be allowed in the left lane;

Why the left lane? Isn't the right lane closer to pedestrians? Also, what if you need to do a left turn?

>3. Vehicles with gas mileage worse than 3g/100miles shouldn't be allowed to go over 45mph.

seems like a nightmare to enforce, especially for models with hybrid variants that could do 3g/100mi.

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