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Re: Framework laptop delay in switching GPUs

#11

Post by greatgib »

saturn8601 wrote: post #4

He is in a pickle. He could solve his problems by using a Mac. Designed from the ground up in a uniform fashion instead of bolted on components from different vendors. Excellent sleep/wake support, none of this nonsense of switching graphics cards....but he is a game developer and so he is married to this platform called PC/Windows that is composed of competing interests, none of which care about the total user exper…

Mac also has its issues just you are so used to it that you don't realize it anymore.

Like for me the Mac will sometimes randomly turn on from sleep like in the middle of the night. For updates or things like that.

When you have wireless mouse but probably any kind of mouse, just a slight move of it will wake the laptop from sleep.

When you have the fingerprint sensor equiped power button, the thing constantly mix up going to sleep because you push it but also waking up immediately because it sensed your finger print on top of the button. ...

Re: Framework laptop delay in switching GPUs

#12

Post by phantompeace »

greatgib wrote: post #11
saturn8601 wrote: post #4

He is in a pickle. He could solve his problems by using a Mac. Designed from the ground up in a uniform fashion instead of bolted on components from different vendors. Excellent sleep/wake support, none of this nonsense of switching graphics cards....but he is a game developer and so he is married to this platform called PC/Windows that is composed of competing interests, none of which care about the total user exper…

Mac also has its issues just you are so used to it that you don't realize it anymore. Like for me the Mac will sometimes randomly turn on from sleep like in the middle of the night. For updates or things like that. When you have wireless mouse but probably any kind of mouse, just a slight move of it will wake the laptop from sleep. When you have the fingerprint sensor equiped power button, the thing constantly mix up…

Umm, why not disable automatic updates if you don’t want the machine to wake up to update whilst you’re not using it?

TouchID issue is valid though.

Re: Framework laptop delay in switching GPUs

#13

Post by noahtallen »

greatgib wrote: post #11
saturn8601 wrote: post #4

He is in a pickle. He could solve his problems by using a Mac. Designed from the ground up in a uniform fashion instead of bolted on components from different vendors. Excellent sleep/wake support, none of this nonsense of switching graphics cards....but he is a game developer and so he is married to this platform called PC/Windows that is composed of competing interests, none of which care about the total user exper…

Mac also has its issues just you are so used to it that you don't realize it anymore. Like for me the Mac will sometimes randomly turn on from sleep like in the middle of the night. For updates or things like that. When you have wireless mouse but probably any kind of mouse, just a slight move of it will wake the laptop from sleep. When you have the fingerprint sensor equiped power button, the thing constantly mix up…

Wireless mouse issue isn’t Mac-specific. Bluetooth wake-from-sleep is a thing on both Linux and windows depending on the device.

Fingerprint issue has been super annoying though. Only happens when waking, where it wakes and then turns it off immediately again.

My macs have thankfully never once randomly turned on or done an unexpected update; you normally tell it “update later tonight.”

Re: Framework laptop delay in switching GPUs

#14

Post by bzzzt »

greatgib wrote: post #11
saturn8601 wrote: post #4

He is in a pickle. He could solve his problems by using a Mac. Designed from the ground up in a uniform fashion instead of bolted on components from different vendors. Excellent sleep/wake support, none of this nonsense of switching graphics cards....but he is a game developer and so he is married to this platform called PC/Windows that is composed of competing interests, none of which care about the total user exper…

Mac also has its issues just you are so used to it that you don't realize it anymore. Like for me the Mac will sometimes randomly turn on from sleep like in the middle of the night. For updates or things like that. When you have wireless mouse but probably any kind of mouse, just a slight move of it will wake the laptop from sleep. When you have the fingerprint sensor equiped power button, the thing constantly mix up…

> the Mac will sometimes randomly turn on from sleep like in the middle of the night. For updates or things like that.

If it's for updates it's not random. Modern M series macs also don't really sleep anymore, they just enter a very low power state.

Re: Framework laptop delay in switching GPUs

#15

Post by saturn8601 »

happymellon wrote: post #10
saturn8601 wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Oh sorry my bad, it was in a subsequent tweet response to his original tweet: https://twitter.com/Jonathan_Blow/status/1807868275042255078 Regarding the tools, you seem to be missing my point, he explained why he is in a pickle: He develops games...Windows is the premier gaming platform whether he likes it or not...hence he needs to develop on Windows.

He doesn't need to develop on a laptop with two GPUs. It's a personal choice to use terrible tools. Currently he is picking two bad choices.

He is using the top of the line hardware because of the nature of his work. And I'm presuming you can't disable the iGPU. You are really boxing him into a terrible situation and just because you can tolerate Linux nonsense does not automatically make it an ideal solution for others.

Re: Framework laptop delay in switching GPUs

#16

Post by type0 »

greatgib wrote: post #11
saturn8601 wrote: post #4

He is in a pickle. He could solve his problems by using a Mac. Designed from the ground up in a uniform fashion instead of bolted on components from different vendors. Excellent sleep/wake support, none of this nonsense of switching graphics cards....but he is a game developer and so he is married to this platform called PC/Windows that is composed of competing interests, none of which care about the total user exper…

Mac also has its issues just you are so used to it that you don't realize it anymore. Like for me the Mac will sometimes randomly turn on from sleep like in the middle of the night. For updates or things like that. When you have wireless mouse but probably any kind of mouse, just a slight move of it will wake the laptop from sleep. When you have the fingerprint sensor equiped power button, the thing constantly mix up…

> Like for me the Mac will sometimes randomly turn on from sleep like in the middle of the night. For updates or things like that.

that's because you don't own your operating system, it's Apples software and they'll do whatever they please with your harware

Re: Framework laptop delay in switching GPUs

#17

Post by OKRainbowKid »

saturn8601 wrote: post #15
happymellon wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He doesn't need to develop on a laptop with two GPUs. It's a personal choice to use terrible tools. Currently he is picking two bad choices.

He is using the top of the line hardware because of the nature of his work. And I'm presuming you can't disable the iGPU. You are really boxing him into a terrible situation and just because you can tolerate Linux nonsense does not automatically make it an ideal solution for others.

Similarly, just because you can tolerate Apple nonsense does not automatically make it an ideal solution for others.

Re: Framework laptop delay in switching GPUs

#18

Post by nvartolomei »

type0 wrote: post #16
greatgib wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Mac also has its issues just you are so used to it that you don't realize it anymore. Like for me the Mac will sometimes randomly turn on from sleep like in the middle of the night. For updates or things like that. When you have wireless mouse but probably any kind of mouse, just a slight move of it will wake the laptop from sleep. When you have the fingerprint sensor equiped power button, the thing constantly mix up…

> Like for me the Mac will sometimes randomly turn on from sleep like in the middle of the night. For updates or things like that. that's because you don't own your operating system, it's Apples software and they'll do whatever they please with your harware

Power Nap is another feature rather than a bug https://support.apple.com/en-gb/guide/mac-help/mh40773/mac

Re: Framework laptop delay in switching GPUs

#19

Post by greatgib »

noahtallen wrote: post #13
greatgib wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Mac also has its issues just you are so used to it that you don't realize it anymore. Like for me the Mac will sometimes randomly turn on from sleep like in the middle of the night. For updates or things like that. When you have wireless mouse but probably any kind of mouse, just a slight move of it will wake the laptop from sleep. When you have the fingerprint sensor equiped power button, the thing constantly mix up…

Wireless mouse issue isn’t Mac-specific. Bluetooth wake-from-sleep is a thing on both Linux and windows depending on the device. Fingerprint issue has been super annoying though. Only happens when waking, where it wakes and then turns it off immediately again. My macs have thankfully never once randomly turned on or done an unexpected update; you normally tell it “update later tonight.”

Personally I don't have the issue of wake up when moving the mouse with my Linux laptops (mint and Ubuntu based)

Re: Framework laptop delay in switching GPUs

#20

Post by happymellon »

saturn8601 wrote: post #15
happymellon wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He doesn't need to develop on a laptop with two GPUs. It's a personal choice to use terrible tools. Currently he is picking two bad choices.

He is using the top of the line hardware because of the nature of his work. And I'm presuming you can't disable the iGPU. You are really boxing him into a terrible situation and just because you can tolerate Linux nonsense does not automatically make it an ideal solution for others.

What nonsense? I see lots of Stockholm syndrome from Windows users who like to invent issues with other OS'.
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