What problem does this solve?
The article only mentions that data could be used to train AI to make CSAM... which seems needlessly alarmist and inflammatory.
Brazil data regulator bans Meta from mining data to train AI models
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Re: Brazil data regulator bans Meta from mining data to train AI models
#12Earlier quoted context omitted.
> So how about the following compromise: promote innovation by liberalizing the posture around training on roughly “the commons”, but insist that the resulting weights are likewise available to the public. How much would you personally invest in a startup which would spend billions of dollars on a compute cluster only to release the weights publicly after the training is complete?
think of the Investors !
He's making a good point. 100m was invested in stability. They are out of money with no clear path to product market fit after giving their model away for free. I'm personally ecstatic that they failed but it is worth asking about the value this technology is producing compared to the cost.
Re: Brazil data regulator bans Meta from mining data to train AI models
#13This proposal gets made pretty frequently in one form or another, and (at least on HN) seems to usually get struck down on this or that procedural ground. But as the various regulatory and judicial and legislative processes grind through different parts of the modern intellectual property issue made so abundantly legible by the modern AI training data gold rush it seems ever more clear that one way or another, we’re…
A lot of that "commons" was the work of people who gave absolutely no permission for their data to be used like this, that is, creating a machine intended to compete with them. My hope is we collectively tell these freeloading ass holes to pound sand. Public does not mean limitless license.
Re: Brazil data regulator bans Meta from mining data to train AI models
#14Earlier quoted context omitted.
> So how about the following compromise: promote innovation by liberalizing the posture around training on roughly “the commons”, but insist that the resulting weights are likewise available to the public. How much would you personally invest in a startup which would spend billions of dollars on a compute cluster only to release the weights publicly after the training is complete?
think of the Investors !
I really appreciate that retired teachers and miners have something to live on, yes.
Re: Brazil data regulator bans Meta from mining data to train AI models
#15Personally I'd rather they force these companies to provide a reasonably priced alternative to ads. I want to have the option to allow companies to use my data for AI. I think AI can be a net boon to society if managed right.
But ads are net negative and I'd argue that the influence of ads and paid actors on social media has been the single most destabilizing force in the world recently.
Re: Brazil data regulator bans Meta from mining data to train AI models
#16So we're in for an eternal cat and mouse game where AIs attempt to learn all the facts available and obscure their provenance as needed to evade restrictions, and IP owners attempt to prove that AIs know too much and therefore owe them money.
Re: Brazil data regulator bans Meta from mining data to train AI models
#17Earlier quoted context omitted.
> So how about the following compromise: promote innovation by liberalizing the posture around training on roughly “the commons”, but insist that the resulting weights are likewise available to the public. How much would you personally invest in a startup which would spend billions of dollars on a compute cluster only to release the weights publicly after the training is complete?
I'm gladly investing portion of my wages to such efforts, alongside e.g. education, healthcare, childcare and infrastructure. And I don't even want any monetary ROI from my investment!
So your plan is to regulate it into complete commercial unviability, where the only source of funding were government bureaucrats? How often does this strategy pay off?
Re: Brazil data regulator bans Meta from mining data to train AI models
#18This proposal gets made pretty frequently in one form or another, and (at least on HN) seems to usually get struck down on this or that procedural ground. But as the various regulatory and judicial and legislative processes grind through different parts of the modern intellectual property issue made so abundantly legible by the modern AI training data gold rush it seems ever more clear that one way or another, we’re…
If I post something publically I'm fine with everyone being able to use it for AI and other data mining. But I'm not ok for a single company only to benefit. And definitely not to sell my public data. I'm looking at you reddit.
Re: Brazil data regulator bans Meta from mining data to train AI models
#19Well, joke's on you Brazil. I doubt Meta can mine any more data than they already have.
They already have all the names, pictures, face biometrics, social graph, location information, political affiliation, relationships and everything that goes into an advertising profile. What else is needed?
They can just use the data already mined, which is probably 99% of everything they will ever need for many years to come. They probably have so much data they can use AI to predict what's missing with a fairly degree of accuracy, like what your face is going to look like in 20 years.
And due to the highly corrupt nature of politics, a few dollars here and there will undo this regulation fairly quickly. Or they could buy it from another company, because the law must be so poorly constructed that a clever lawyer will surely find workaround and they will be OK.
Re: Brazil data regulator bans Meta from mining data to train AI models
#20Link to the decision: https://www.gov.br/anpd/pt-br/assuntos/noticias/anpd-determi...
in brazilian portuguese.
It is only for Meta, but I think it is because it caught the regulator's attention. The ban is due to lack of legal basis for the change in Meta's privacy policy regarding LGPD (brazilian privacy law - https://www.planalto.gov.br/ccivil_03/_ato2015-2018/2018/lei...)