Classic chatbots: https://www.cs.cmu.edu/afs/cs/project/ai-repository/ai/areas... Splotch it's offensive but fun. Azile might run under Executor (the forked one at GitHub).
Emacs still has M-x doctor.
ELIZA Reinterpreted: The world's first chatbot was not intended as a chatbot
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Re: ELIZA Reinterpreted: The world's first chatbot was not intended as a chatbot
#12Except it WAS intended as a chatbot... as a tool "for research into human-machine conversation and the important cognitive processes of interpretation and misinterpretation". It's like saying the guy who invented the screwdriver didn't invent it because he was REALLY just trying to build a cabinet. The reason a tool was invented does not mean the tool isn't what the tool is.
Re: ELIZA Reinterpreted: The world's first chatbot was not intended as a chatbot
#13Jeff is a HN user and his connection to ELIZA is pretty interesting. Many of the ELIZA chat bot clones were based on a version he wrote as a kid, that was published. He and a group of researchers put effort into digging up the history of original implementation. Interesting person!
You can plug your interview.
https://corecursive.com/eliza-with-jeff-shrager/
I think Jeff is also working on a book.
Re: ELIZA Reinterpreted: The world's first chatbot was not intended as a chatbot
#14Earlier quoted context omitted.
Emacs still has M-x doctor.
Probably based on Jeff Shrager's ELIZA. IIRC from https://corecursive.com/eliza-with-jeff-shrager/ most ELIZA's out there are actually based on his reimplementation, not on Weizenbaum's original code
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#15Re: ELIZA Reinterpreted: The world's first chatbot was not intended as a chatbot
#16Earlier quoted context omitted.
You can plug your interview.
I don't want to be that person, who's always plugging stuff when it doesn't fit. But yeah, here it is: https://corecursive.com/eliza-with-jeff-shrager/ I think Jeff is also working on a book.
Re: ELIZA Reinterpreted: The world's first chatbot was not intended as a chatbot
#17Earlier quoted context omitted.
Probably based on Jeff Shrager's ELIZA. IIRC from https://corecursive.com/eliza-with-jeff-shrager/ most ELIZA's out there are actually based on his reimplementation, not on Weizenbaum's original code
Quick plug; mine is based on Weizenbaum's original (or at least on his notes/specifications, as the source code wasn't available when I built mine) https://christopherdrum.itch.io/eliza8
Re: ELIZA Reinterpreted: The world's first chatbot was not intended as a chatbot
#18Except it WAS intended as a chatbot... as a tool "for research into human-machine conversation and the important cognitive processes of interpretation and misinterpretation". It's like saying the guy who invented the screwdriver didn't invent it because he was REALLY just trying to build a cabinet. The reason a tool was invented does not mean the tool isn't what the tool is.
The famous DOCTOR script was just one example to demonstrate the tools's capabilities, and not the main point of ELIZA.
[Edit: the paper suggests the DOCTOR script is "ELIZA" not ELIZA, i.e. the limited version that became popular, not the full version that was built)
Re: ELIZA Reinterpreted: The world's first chatbot was not intended as a chatbot
#19Except it WAS intended as a chatbot... as a tool "for research into human-machine conversation and the important cognitive processes of interpretation and misinterpretation". It's like saying the guy who invented the screwdriver didn't invent it because he was REALLY just trying to build a cabinet. The reason a tool was invented does not mean the tool isn't what the tool is.
It at least establishes that it wasn't intended as a public chatbot. To extend your analogy: it's as if the inventor of the screwdriver threw away his tool afterwards and someone found it in his trash and mass manufactured it. The cabinet maker wasn't trying to make a [new standard tool for how to drive screws] (screwdriver) but was making a tool [to drive screws for just one project] (screwdriver).
More accurate, less interesting.
Re: ELIZA Reinterpreted: The world's first chatbot was not intended as a chatbot
#20Except it WAS intended as a chatbot... as a tool "for research into human-machine conversation and the important cognitive processes of interpretation and misinterpretation". It's like saying the guy who invented the screwdriver didn't invent it because he was REALLY just trying to build a cabinet. The reason a tool was invented does not mean the tool isn't what the tool is.
It at least establishes that it wasn't intended as a public chatbot. To extend your analogy: it's as if the inventor of the screwdriver threw away his tool afterwards and someone found it in his trash and mass manufactured it. The cabinet maker wasn't trying to make a [new standard tool for how to drive screws] (screwdriver) but was making a tool [to drive screws for just one project] (screwdriver).
This was a time before networks and software distributions. The idea that software could be standardized and shared instead of written for a particular computer was not widespread.
So it’s a bit disingenuous to say that Eliza wasn’t intended as a public chatbot, when practically no software was intended to be public.