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The Death of the Junior Developer

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Re: The Death of the Junior Developer

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basically this is a lot of seemingly AI-generated drivel directly related to driving you to Cody, whatever their thing they are trying to sell with this click baity headline is doing. I could not find anything of substance in this article, and was disappointed, because I feel this is a topic in dire need of discussion.

I agree. My takeaway from this article is that I need to sign up for Anthropic so that I can bounce ideas off of GPT-4o. Ultimately, I’m seeing diminishing returns in the output of LLMs over the last 18 months.

Re: The Death of the Junior Developer

#12
Wow I have never read something that I feel and live the total opposite of quite like this piece. To address the title first: My company only hires juniors, straight out of high school, sometimes HS juniors (3rd year). I myself was hired out of high school as an intern and now I am part owner (1/3rd of the board). It has gone fabulously for us and I wrote about this and why companies should consider it: https://simonsarris.com/p/growing-software-developers

As for the rest...

> You remember that big manufactured drama, right, about the new OpenAI "4o" GPT model supposedly having Scarlett Johansson's voice? That's the one. That model changed everything about programming overnight.

> ...

> You can quibble over the numbers, but it's clear that programmers using CHOP with these new models are getting a turbo boost.

I just don't think this is true. I think its a bit hyperbolic at this rate. And I don't think other people think its true which casts some doubt on part of this narrative.

> Things are changing fast. I'm an optimist, and I generally think, or at least hope, that as companies become more productive in the coming months and years, they simply get correspondingly more ambitious.

Again I really don't think we've seen any real productivity boost yet to companies. Maybe a few individuals, but not companies. And I am suspicious that we will, given the nature of things.

> All I can tell you is this: Get there early.

I actually think the opposite! You can safely ignore most of the AI hype cycle and tools right now. You don't have to play with them that much. You can wait a few more years and when they are more polished, use them more if you like them. There's really not a big rush.

I take umbrage with the style of this article, trying to convince of its point by using conspiratorial tones while gesturing towards movies. Maybe its amusing to some, but it feels like a crunch in its convincing-ness of the central arguments.

Re: The Death of the Junior Developer

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It’s a fight to the bottom until we see the gaps. Senior associates think they can replace junior associates, managers think they can replace seniors, partners think they can replace managers and so on. My expectation, however inconvenient for me, is that juniors will be safe, mid levels will suffer as their subject matter will rebalance, seniors will collect the profit. Juniors will suffer longer term on a path with more selective progression.

Re: The Death of the Junior Developer

#14

basically this is a lot of seemingly AI-generated drivel directly related to driving you to Cody, whatever their thing they are trying to sell with this click baity headline is doing. I could not find anything of substance in this article, and was disappointed, because I feel this is a topic in dire need of discussion.

I agree. My takeaway from this article is that I need to sign up for Anthropic so that I can bounce ideas off of GPT-4o. Ultimately, I’m seeing diminishing returns in the output of LLMs over the last 18 months.

Probably the biggest red flag to me is anything that requires me to rapidly skim to get to their point. Good writing usually establishes their point early.

Re: The Death of the Junior Developer

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This has happened before. From 2000-2004, this was the world. Companies were going out of business or cutting headcount to the bone, and the folks with 7+ years of experience were getting picked up (often at a discount). If you started your first job coding in 1999 and then got laid off half a year later, sucks for you.

2004 both Salesforce, Google, and Blackboard (they were big then!) IPO, and Facebook comes screaming onto the scene. Greenspan monetary policy had already made capital nearly free, and the 2008 financial crisis kicked us into 0% interest rate territory. It costs us nothing to invest in talent, so why not? If we invest in 100 startups, each with 100 employees at $150K salaries, and just two of those unicorn exit, we've made our money back, and it costs financiers nothing to wait.

2004 kicked off the simultaneous rise of "software as a service" and "social media," both of which were highly lucrative. But not only that - SaaS allowed traditional (think General Mills or Procter and Gamble) to have high-quality, cutting-edge software products without needing to employ a lot of engineers to run them. They could just pay a line item to Salesforce and let them concentrate the devs.

Just like in 2004, I think we will have a major industry shift that unlocks jobs for lots of these junior folks. I don't think it will be AI - just feels too obvious. I suspect it'll be something to do with climate change.

Re: The Death of the Junior Developer

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree. My takeaway from this article is that I need to sign up for Anthropic so that I can bounce ideas off of GPT-4o. Ultimately, I’m seeing diminishing returns in the output of LLMs over the last 18 months.

Probably the biggest red flag to me is anything that requires me to rapidly skim to get to their point. Good writing usually establishes their point early.

There needs to be an LLM for that.

Re: The Death of the Junior Developer

#20

The format of the article is creative and I don’t like it. The use of movies seems to be trying to channel a16z with movies instead of hip hop quotes and it isn’t working.

Agreed, I personally found it distracting. I'm not sure if each section was making a point similar to the corresponding movie plots.
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