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Indonesia’s Emergence

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Re: Indonesia’s Emergence

#11

Obligatory plug for The Act of Killing, an absolutely surreal documentary about the Indonesian mass killings and what happened to the PKI after independence. Basically, they get some of the perps of mass murder to re-enact their crimes on camera. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Act_of_Killing

This was really well made and hard to watch, it just made me seethe with anger due to the openly admitted murder and injustice and I could not finish it.

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post #4

Modern history of Indonesia is also brutal, strange and very hard to grasp and accept. Just 6 months ago, a new generation choose a murderer, linked with previous coup as their new president because he was looking cute and post dancing videos on tiktok. [I live in Indonesia as an expact]

To be fair, Indonesia is hardly alone as a republic to have elected an appalling character for a leader. If anything, they're somewhat late to this past decade's wave.

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post #4

Modern history of Indonesia is also brutal, strange and very hard to grasp and accept. Just 6 months ago, a new generation choose a murderer, linked with previous coup as their new president because he was looking cute and post dancing videos on tiktok. [I live in Indonesia as an expact]

To be fair, Indonesia is hardly alone as a republic to have elected an appalling character for a leader. If anything, they're somewhat late to this past decade's wave.

Late?

They were early adopters of appalling character leaders, Suharto was elected in 1968 after seizing power and self appointing in 1967.

He was repeatedly elected for thirty years (with varying amounts of opposition and rigging during those decades).

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post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To be fair, Indonesia is hardly alone as a republic to have elected an appalling character for a leader. If anything, they're somewhat late to this past decade's wave.

Late? They were early adopters of appalling character leaders, Suharto was elected in 1968 after seizing power and self appointing in 1967. He was repeatedly elected for thirty years (with varying amounts of opposition and rigging during those decades).

I meant specifically the contemporary populist wave since Brexit or so.

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post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To be fair, Indonesia is hardly alone as a republic to have elected an appalling character for a leader. If anything, they're somewhat late to this past decade's wave.

Late? They were early adopters of appalling character leaders, Suharto was elected in 1968 after seizing power and self appointing in 1967. He was repeatedly elected for thirty years (with varying amounts of opposition and rigging during those decades).

"elected"

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post #5

Indonesia's current political climate cannot be understood without understanding the 1965 Coup that shaped it. I recommend "The Jakarta Method: Washington's Anticommunist Crusade and the Mass Murder Program that Shaped Our World" book for people looking to understand how the coup was orchestrated and what followed it.

Another colonized killing colonizer masskilling when the powers shift. What can be expected to happen for example in xinjang if the current han-empire fails? The politics are decoration on top of a nasty locals vs outsiders struggle? Tons of powderkegs like this exist around the world on ex-empires shores. Balkans are always ready to explode to right ancient wrongs. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=XTXfOPIFAok&t=1s CIA doesn't even need matches. Thats multicultural societies worldwide lots of villages living side by side, everyone remembering what the others were willing todo the moment they got in power. American meltingpot is the exception, not the norm..

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post #4

Modern history of Indonesia is also brutal, strange and very hard to grasp and accept. Just 6 months ago, a new generation choose a murderer, linked with previous coup as their new president because he was looking cute and post dancing videos on tiktok. [I live in Indonesia as an expact]

As an Indonesian, I have to admit that most of our people are susceptible to cheap but clever personal branding. Before running on 2024 presidential election, Prabowo Subianto (the elected president) was imaged as a firm and authoritative former general. But, when he run on the presidential election, he changed his personal image to be a "gemoy" (a slang for chubby and cute kid/baby) and even dancing around with his supporter, something that he never do on his past election. His pairing with Gibran (the son of Joko Widodo, the current president of Indonesia) also gave some factor to his winning the election.

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post #6

The US and UN sanctioned the Act of No Choice , a rigged "vote" that saw Indonesia take over West Papua and continue with a largely unreported brutality to this day. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Act_of_Free_Choice https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Papua_conflict

Most of the independence stories are complete B.S. They were enabled by the US to kick out the Europeans out of their colonies. It has resulted in the creation on some of the most corrupt and mismanaged governments and centralization of power in the hand of these rulers. Indonesia could have been 20-30 separate countries.

The punchline is that this is hurting the US even more now as that keeping these governments aligned is a much harder job than imagined and they are being scooped by Chinese influence in the present day.

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