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Why your brain is 3 milion more times efficient than GPT-4

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Re: Why your brain is 3 milion more times efficient than GPT-4

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Post by mati365 »

kvdveer wrote: post #7

I feel the author is comparing an abstract representation of the brain to a mechanical representation of a computer. This is not a fair or useful comparison. If a computer does not understand words, neither does your brain. While electromagnetic charge in the brain does not at all correspond with electromagnetic charge in a GPU, they do share an abstraction level, unlike words vs bits.

The brain translates words into a matrix of cortical column neurons activations. So there are similarities to our naive implementation of such "thinking".

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Post by exe34 »

shinycode wrote: post #8

If some day AGI happens and can exists on its own, wouldn’t that prove that intelligence is a base requirement for intelligence to happen in the first place ? AGI can’t happen on its own, it needs our intelligence first to help it structure itself

Do you think the same thing is required for flying? that aeroplanes can only be created by birds?

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Post by Synaesthesia »

kvdveer wrote: post #7

I feel the author is comparing an abstract representation of the brain to a mechanical representation of a computer. This is not a fair or useful comparison. If a computer does not understand words, neither does your brain. While electromagnetic charge in the brain does not at all correspond with electromagnetic charge in a GPU, they do share an abstraction level, unlike words vs bits.

No, only a brain can "think" and be original. A computer is limited to what we input to it. An "AI" simply recapitulates what it was trained on.

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Post by Synaesthesia »

xqcgrek2 wrote: post #12

The caloric need of a monkey typing, or a cat, is much lower than even a human. But it doesn't mean the results are good.

Yeah because humans are really special. Monkeys and cats can still solve physical problems though which are quite complex, and make decisions.

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Post by exe34 »

xqcgrek2 wrote: post #12

The caloric need of a monkey typing, or a cat, is much lower than even a human. But it doesn't mean the results are good.

cats are wiser than a lot of people. heck people think they're more intelligent than dolphins because they invented taxes and built new York while dolphins just hang out all day doing nothing, and dolphins think they are more intelligent for the same reason.

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Post by madsbuch »

There is an immensely strong dogma that, to my best knowledge, is not founded in any science or philosophy:

        First we must lay down certain axioms (smart word for the common sense/ground rules we all agree upon and accept as true).
        
        One of such would be the fact that currently computers do not really understand words. ...
The author is at least honest about his assumptions. Which I can appreciate. Most other people just has it as a latent thing.

For articles like this to be interesting, this can not be accepted as an axiom. It's justification is what's interesting,

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Post by halayli »

shinycode wrote: post #8

If some day AGI happens and can exists on its own, wouldn’t that prove that intelligence is a base requirement for intelligence to happen in the first place ? AGI can’t happen on its own, it needs our intelligence first to help it structure itself

No, that just proves that intelligence can create another intelligence. It does not rule out that intelligence can exist due to entropy.

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Post by exe34 »

Synaesthesia wrote: post #14
kvdveer wrote: post #7

I feel the author is comparing an abstract representation of the brain to a mechanical representation of a computer. This is not a fair or useful comparison. If a computer does not understand words, neither does your brain. While electromagnetic charge in the brain does not at all correspond with electromagnetic charge in a GPU, they do share an abstraction level, unlike words vs bits.

No, only a brain can "think" and be original. A computer is limited to what we input to it. An "AI" simply recapitulates what it was trained on.

that's incredible! how did you put the confetti back in the canon?
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