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The City of London which is not part of London (2016)

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Re: The City of London which is not part of London (2016)

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Post by markoman »

timr wrote: post #4
simonbarker87 wrote: post #3

I’m probably being overly pedantic but it’s not a secret

It's not well known in America. Recent conversations on congestion surcharges in NYC regularly confused the charges in City of London (miniscule) with London as a whole (huge), and then tried to draw the comparison to the now-canceled charges in NYC, which would have affected more than half of Manhattan, and a large portion of the most significant commercial areas of NYC. People are either being completely disingenuo…

Yes the City of London has a population of around 10,000 but employs nearly 1 million by some estimates since the legal and financial capitals exist within it.

Re: The City of London which is not part of London (2016)

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Post by timr »

CPLX wrote: post #9
timr wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not well known in America. Recent conversations on congestion surcharges in NYC regularly confused the charges in City of London (miniscule) with London as a whole (huge), and then tried to draw the comparison to the now-canceled charges in NYC, which would have affected more than half of Manhattan, and a large portion of the most significant commercial areas of NYC. People are either being completely disingenuo…

What are you talking about the London congestion charge is analogous to the NYC one, covering the core central business district.

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Re: The City of London which is not part of London (2016)

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Post by lores »

timr wrote: post #10
pledg wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The London congestion charge is a much larger area than the City https://tfl.gov.uk/modes/driving/congestion-charge/congestio...

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It's a fraction by area, but it's by far the densest and busiest part of the city. Comparisons to half of Manhattan are not unwarranted.

Re: The City of London which is not part of London (2016)

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Post by patrickdavey »

Also some pretty interesting tax and voting rules there ... Corporations get a vote, pretty much meaning they run the place.

https://www.thecollector.com/what-makes-the-city-of-london-u...

There's a good book called "treasure islands" all about tax havens... The city definitely features.

Re: The City of London which is not part of London (2016)

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Post by timr »

lores wrote: post #13
timr wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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It's a fraction by area, but it's by far the densest and busiest part of the city. Comparisons to half of Manhattan are not unwarranted.

Only if you don't know anything about Manhattan other than "density".

The now-canceled project would have affected, at a minimum, about 10% of New York's entire resident population (~800k). A lot of New Yorkers actually live in Manhattan south of 60th. That's part of why it's dense.

A more reasonable comparison to the current London congestion area would be midtown -- the small area in the middle of Manhattan with the obvious skyscrapers, as well as Times Square, theaters, throngs of tourists, and the bulk of finance.

Re: The City of London which is not part of London (2016)

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Post by chgs »

timr wrote: post #10
pledg wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The London congestion charge is a much larger area than the City https://tfl.gov.uk/modes/driving/congestion-charge/congestio...

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It’s about 8 square miles - in Manhattan that would be about the area below 42nd street

Re: The City of London which is not part of London (2016)

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Post by lores »

timr wrote: post #12
CPLX wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What are you talking about the London congestion charge is analogous to the NYC one, covering the core central business district.

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Residents would largely not have to pay, if they follow the London model. The London congestion zone covers ~150K residents, but above 1 million commuters, not counting trade and tourists.

Re: The City of London which is not part of London (2016)

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Post by timr »

markoman wrote: post #11
timr wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not well known in America. Recent conversations on congestion surcharges in NYC regularly confused the charges in City of London (miniscule) with London as a whole (huge), and then tried to draw the comparison to the now-canceled charges in NYC, which would have affected more than half of Manhattan, and a large portion of the most significant commercial areas of NYC. People are either being completely disingenuo…

Yes the City of London has a population of around 10,000 but employs nearly 1 million by some estimates since the legal and financial capitals exist within it.

So, it's midtown Manhattan, which is a small portion of the area NYC proposed to meter.

Re: The City of London which is not part of London (2016)

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Post by timr »

lores wrote: post #17
timr wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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Residents would largely not have to pay, if they follow the London model. The London congestion zone covers ~150K residents, but above 1 million commuters, not counting trade and tourists.

Sensible, but unfortunately, that's not how it was going to work in NYC. Any car entering the zone below 60th would be covered, regardless of residency. Taxis, ride shares, deliveries, etc., were all covered as well.

The area in NYC was little more than a new tax on residents, disguised as congestion pricing. I'd personally have little problem with a fee that made carve-outs for the people who actually live here (and I say that as someone who doesn't own a car).

Thanks for the numbers on residents in the London area.

Re: The City of London which is not part of London (2016)

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Post by crimsoneer »

timr wrote: post #4
simonbarker87 wrote: post #3

I’m probably being overly pedantic but it’s not a secret

It's not well known in America. Recent conversations on congestion surcharges in NYC regularly confused the charges in City of London (miniscule) with London as a whole (huge), and then tried to draw the comparison to the now-canceled charges in NYC, which would have affected more than half of Manhattan, and a large portion of the most significant commercial areas of NYC. People are either being completely disingenuo…

The congestion charge in London has absolutely nothing to do with the City.
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