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Tesla's FSD – A Useless Technology Demo

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#11
> I’ve had a Model Y for more than 3 years now, well before Elon revealed himself as the kind of person he really is, and I’ve been happy with it.

> When I buy my next car, my requirements will be simple: I want an EV, an extensive charger network along I-80, and an autosteer that’s at least as good as what I have today. Let’s hope there’ll be decent Tesla alternatives by then.

Gee, I wonder if this is going to be an unbiased review of the technology.

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#12
> For the second test, my wife reluctantly gave me permission to try out FSD for interstate driving, which should be its best case scenario.

Except this isn't the new FSD stack, it's the old one.

It's a fair criticism of the current offering, but it's not much evidence against a future robotaxi.

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The author of this article doesn't understand how continuous improvement in software works ... Saying that it will "never" work is myopic. Never bet against Moores Law or Elon!

As a Tesla M3 owner (in Europe where we don't have FSD yet) I cannot wait to have it for long road trips on highways where I want to relax and have a "copilot" do some of the "thinking" & driving for me.

Yes, there are still some instances of FSD Supervised doing strange things in the YouTube videos people are posting, but it's definitely no longer a "demo"! It's real and it's only a matter of time before it's better than humans in most circumstances ...

Now as a TSLA shareholder, I'm still sceptical that the RoboTaxi/CyberCab system will be 100% foolproof ... But if they can prove through data that it's safer than 99.9% of human drivers on every day journeys and thus get regulatory approval it will be game changing! If Tesla can do 90% of short ride city driving at a fraction of the cost of Uber/Lyft they have a real cash cow on the horizon!

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post #11

> I’ve had a Model Y for more than 3 years now, well before Elon revealed himself as the kind of person he really is, and I’ve been happy with it. > When I buy my next car, my requirements will be simple: I want an EV, an extensive charger network along I-80, and an autosteer that’s at least as good as what I have today. Let’s hope there’ll be decent Tesla alternatives by then. Gee, I wonder if this is going to be an…

This HN thread will be full of it too soon enough.

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My car is old enough to not have adaptive cruise control and lane centering, but that's all I'd love to have for now. Well executed, it's such a joy on a highway or in traffic.

Jeep and others have it but drive like a bowling ball with guardrails up.

Has anyone here successfully retrofitted Audi a4 with ACC? I hear Cruise started like that, would be awesome to get a kit like that.

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#17

I find it difficult to take the technology review seriously with the off topic remarks and prefaces about Musk and Tesla at the beginning of the post.

If you aren't in the cult of personality, a lot of people need to justify it at this point. I have no interest in buying a Tesla unless he divests fully. Everyone else seems to be catching up without lying about their projected capabilities and I don't need an EV today. I don't want to give him any more money than he has.

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I find it difficult to take the technology review seriously with the off topic remarks and prefaces about Musk and Tesla at the beginning of the post.

TV said he was buying a Tony Stark car. Then TV revealed that Tony Stark was two Mussolinis in a trenchcoat. Car bad now

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This pretty much jibes with my experience. Autopilot has phantom breaking still, but navigate-on-autopilot feels more predictable on the freeway and more useful than FSD. The fact that v12 has “exited beta” and is now the “Supervised” mode doesn’t give me confidence right now. The iterative progress it went through during the beta was really good — I felt that each point release was getting closer to a polished system that could be trusted. The v12 stack supposedly replaced all of the prior work with “photons in, photons out” straight neural networks, but I think this simply didn’t result in the stability the system needs. The v12 software behaves pathologically in situations where autopilot is excellent.

As a concrete example, it routinely switches out of the current lane to “follow route” and then immediately slams on the brakes to slow down, when no turn or exit is present. Then it turns on the signal and dutifully tries to get back into the previous lane. On screen, it says it’s wanting to change into a faster lane. This will happen multiple times on the same road. This is on CA-57 northbound in SoCal —- an area where I would expect there to be pretty good testing.

Personally, AP / navigate-on-autopilot is still superior. On city streets, sure, FSD can sort-of manage. But it isn’t trustworthy enough for me to use it.

Re: Tesla's FSD – A Useless Technology Demo

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post #19

This pretty much jibes with my experience. Autopilot has phantom breaking still, but navigate-on-autopilot feels more predictable on the freeway and more useful than FSD. The fact that v12 has “exited beta” and is now the “Supervised” mode doesn’t give me confidence right now. The iterative progress it went through during the beta was really good — I felt that each point release was getting closer to a polished syste…

FSD 12 is not used on freeways. City streets only. You’re observing behavior of the old stack if you’re seeing notices for lane change reasoning. They’ll be unifying it later this year.
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