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Microsoft to delay release of Recall AI feature on security concerns

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Re: Microsoft to delay release of Recall AI feature on security concerns

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Post by oefrha »

visarga wrote: post #4

Meanwhile Apple Intelligence recalls across all apps with no backlash. I personally like this idea, should be done in a thoughtful and safe way, but recalling your logs is more useful than searching anew. I see the same double standard with Google's generative search vs OpenAI's chatGPT with search - when Google gets it wrong, it's a big issue, but not for the other.

When did Apple announce they’re going to start taking screenshots of entire screens and storing them? Windows has had a (crappy) unified search “across all apps” for years and there’s been no backlash AFAIK.

Re: Microsoft to delay release of Recall AI feature on security concerns

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Post by ketzo »

visarga wrote: post #4

Meanwhile Apple Intelligence recalls across all apps with no backlash. I personally like this idea, should be done in a thoughtful and safe way, but recalling your logs is more useful than searching anew. I see the same double standard with Google's generative search vs OpenAI's chatGPT with search - when Google gets it wrong, it's a big issue, but not for the other.

Are we really comparing a userland, unencrypted-at-rest SQLite database with Apple's app sandbox + secure enclave?

Re: Microsoft to delay release of Recall AI feature on security concerns

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Post by ankurdhama »

visarga wrote: post #4

Meanwhile Apple Intelligence recalls across all apps with no backlash. I personally like this idea, should be done in a thoughtful and safe way, but recalling your logs is more useful than searching anew. I see the same double standard with Google's generative search vs OpenAI's chatGPT with search - when Google gets it wrong, it's a big issue, but not for the other.

MS recall captures screenshot, analyze them, extract data from them and create a database index of these things so you can search them.

Apple AI essentially provides API hooks that apps can use to expose actions and data to the model. Currently it seems Apple own apps does that but any app owner can decide to support this or not.

Two completely different approach.

Re: Microsoft to delay release of Recall AI feature on security concerns

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Post by greenthrow »

visarga wrote: post #4

Meanwhile Apple Intelligence recalls across all apps with no backlash. I personally like this idea, should be done in a thoughtful and safe way, but recalling your logs is more useful than searching anew. I see the same double standard with Google's generative search vs OpenAI's chatGPT with search - when Google gets it wrong, it's a big issue, but not for the other.

You are failing to appreciate how the things are different and this is why you are baffled by the different responses.

Re: Microsoft to delay release of Recall AI feature on security concerns

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Post by riffraff »

visarga wrote: post #4

Meanwhile Apple Intelligence recalls across all apps with no backlash. I personally like this idea, should be done in a thoughtful and safe way, but recalling your logs is more useful than searching anew. I see the same double standard with Google's generative search vs OpenAI's chatGPT with search - when Google gets it wrong, it's a big issue, but not for the other.

Personally, I feel about Apple Intelligence only slightly more positive than MS Recall.

I mean, sure, private cloud looks as good as something can be without being open source and self-hosted, but it seems nobody considered the fact that I do not want everything I do to be tracked.

If this was a per-app opt-in then maybe but as it has been presented this is pure distopia.

Re: Microsoft to delay release of Recall AI feature on security concerns

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Post by Dalewyn »

davesmylie wrote: post #10
Dalewyn wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I feel Recall got excessive backlash because of how ubiquitous and far reaching Windows is, and critics basically live and die by finding something popular to bitch about. There are already many things that record our data and actions that most of us are otherwise fine with. Browsing history, Undo in any number of productivity software, search histories both local (eg: Windows) and remote (eg: Google, Bing), password…

> Browsing history, Undo in any number of productivity software, search histories both local (eg: Windows) and remote (eg: Google, Bing), password managers and Post-Its on monitors(tm), chat logs, vidja gaem save files, and more. None of these are taking screenshots of your entire desktop, using OCR and AI to summarize all text/secrets displayed and storing them in a single centralized, location, (currently) easily e…

Is there a difference between that and the others? I'm not seeing one fundamentally and brutally speaking.

Also, if a hostile has access to your computer then all bets are off. Nothing matters at that point besides how quickly you can remove that access if it's even possible and whether you can deal with the fallout.

Re: Microsoft to delay release of Recall AI feature on security concerns

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Post by callalex »

ThrowawayTestr wrote: post #6
visarga wrote: post #4

Meanwhile Apple Intelligence recalls across all apps with no backlash. I personally like this idea, should be done in a thoughtful and safe way, but recalling your logs is more useful than searching anew. I see the same double standard with Google's generative search vs OpenAI's chatGPT with search - when Google gets it wrong, it's a big issue, but not for the other.

The power of trust (and brand loyalty)

(And completely different implementations)

Re: Microsoft to delay release of Recall AI feature on security concerns

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Post by surfingdino »

ulfw wrote: post #5

What are MSFT Product Managers doing these days? This was one of the worst launches in recent years. Has Microsoft fallen victim to AI panic like Google has? Do people dare to speak up and say no to Satya and Sundar?

Microsoft suffers from bad memories of dismissing the importance of internet, then missing the boat (a failing 3-4 times) on personal music players and music/video streaming, followed by failing to capture any meaningful smartphone or tablet market share, and still playing catch up in the cloud computing space. They went all in on AI, because they want to own the next platform that others will build on top of. Their problem is simple, AI is not the next platform to build on top of. It is not the next internet, not the next operating system, it is a research project with way too much funding.

Re: Microsoft to delay release of Recall AI feature on security concerns

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Post by ruuda »

> The lack of a formal market for land has not made land any cheaper, it has simply shifted the price from being denominated in money-dollars, to time-dollars and pain-in-the-butt-dollars.

Vitalik writes about this too: https://vitalik.eth.limo/general/2021/08/22/prices.html

Re: Microsoft to delay release of Recall AI feature on security concerns

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Post by str3wer »

ankurdhama wrote: post #13
visarga wrote: post #4

Meanwhile Apple Intelligence recalls across all apps with no backlash. I personally like this idea, should be done in a thoughtful and safe way, but recalling your logs is more useful than searching anew. I see the same double standard with Google's generative search vs OpenAI's chatGPT with search - when Google gets it wrong, it's a big issue, but not for the other.

MS recall captures screenshot, analyze them, extract data from them and create a database index of these things so you can search them. Apple AI essentially provides API hooks that apps can use to expose actions and data to the model. Currently it seems Apple own apps does that but any app owner can decide to support this or not. Two completely different approach.

and it was possible for any user on windows to have access to these screenshots
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