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Snapdragon X Elite in the wild is allegedly slower than iPhone 12
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#12Can I run linux on the iPhone 12? And not talking about UTM VMs.
You can not run Linux on IPhone 12. Neither you can run Linux on Snapdragon X laptops in any meaningful way, today. While there was some Linux demos before Computex, there was no Linux demos on Computex, and people presenting the laptops were declining to comment about Linux.
Is WSL2 available at launch day? If not that will be a deal breaker for me.
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#13Like any PC laptop, the results are going to vary wildly based on the manufacturer's thermal solution. You can't buy based on the CPU part number. You have to wait for reviews of specific machines and buy the one that's actually good.
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#14I'm under the impression that apple silicons dominance largely comes from TSMC. And that Qualcomm won't be able to match that. Am I wrong here?
I haven't looked at CPU architectural comparisons, but Apple must have a major benefit in owning the whole stack: from the lowest hardware level to the OS to many of the applications. And with the right focus (which they almost certainly have) the ability to optimize the system as a whole instead of each level taking care of just their own section.
If the x86 translation team can make their case that a specific CPU feature will be a significant enough performance benefit, chances are that a discussion within the company will have less friction that a discussion between, say, a Microsoft SW team and a Qualcomm or ARM CPU design team.
And while Microsoft may care about power consumption and power management, I can't image that they care as much as the Apple MacBook team. (My POS high-end Dell laptop is still a power management disaster. It would fail any internal go-to-market review at Apple.)
But there's also the simple fact that the Apple silicon team is very good, and they've been cranking out best in class silicon IPs for more than a decade. A lot of IPs on an SOC are developed incrementally, with smaller improvements from one generation to the next accumulating into major advancements over the years. Even if the competition builds an equally capable silicon team, they may not have the solid foundation to build on and it can take generations to match what the competition already had.
It's also true that for Apple, the silicon is not a product that's being sold on its own. I'm sure they care about silicon area (and thus cost), but they can once again put this cost in the larger context of the full laptop. For Qualcomm, increasing a cache by 50% is a much bigger hit on their gross margins than for Apple. If that cache increase will result in significantly better laptop characteristics, Apple may decide to go for it while Qualcomm may not.
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#15Bit of a clickbait headline
This is based on a Reddit report of a CPU that seems like it’s not boosting…ofc the score will be low
Yeah a cpu clocking 2.5 isn’t going to give you the same score you see at designed 4+. Unless it was limited that way due to thermals this is likely not a big deal in long run
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#16Can I run linux on the iPhone 12? And not talking about UTM VMs.
No but you can run Linux on the Apple m-series laptops using Asahi Linux.
This is a laptop chip, right?
Re: Snapdragon X Elite in the wild is allegedly slower than iPhone 12
#17Bit of a clickbait headline This is based on a Reddit report of a CPU that seems like it’s not boosting…ofc the score will be low Yeah a cpu clocking 2.5 isn’t going to give you the same score you see at designed 4+. Unless it was limited that way due to thermals this is likely not a big deal in long run
So it’s slow by default but if it boosts properly will it still retain the battery life improvements?
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#18Earlier quoted context omitted.
You can not run Linux on IPhone 12. Neither you can run Linux on Snapdragon X laptops in any meaningful way, today. While there was some Linux demos before Computex, there was no Linux demos on Computex, and people presenting the laptops were declining to comment about Linux.
Is WSL2 available at launch day? If not that will be a deal breaker for me.
WSL2 already works on Windows on ARM, so I would assume so.
Re: Snapdragon X Elite in the wild is allegedly slower than iPhone 12
#19Bit of a clickbait headline This is based on a Reddit report of a CPU that seems like it’s not boosting…ofc the score will be low Yeah a cpu clocking 2.5 isn’t going to give you the same score you see at designed 4+. Unless it was limited that way due to thermals this is likely not a big deal in long run
So it’s slow by default but if it boosts properly will it still retain the battery life improvements?
I think the implication is that there's just currently a bug.
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#20I'm under the impression that apple silicons dominance largely comes from TSMC. And that Qualcomm won't be able to match that. Am I wrong here?
I haven't looked at CPU architectural comparisons, but Apple must have a major benefit in owning the whole stack: from the lowest hardware level to the OS to many of the applications. And with the right focus (which they almost certainly have) the ability to optimize the system as a whole instead of each level taking care of just their own section. If the x86 translation team can make their case that a specific CPU f…
For Dell, the customer is corporate Information Technology departments and accountants. Most of their end-user kit is minimum viable brick for business use: if it isn't in the box, it can't break. I find their engineering impressive.
Apple tells corporate IT to get out of the way of their customers, the users. Thus repairing their stuff is a nightmare.
(My laptop is an M1 MacBook Air. My servers are off-lease salvage Dell or Intel OEM hardware.)