The term i like to use lately is: faf - Fake As F*ck.
Please just write 'fuck' if that is obviously what you mean.
The "uncanny" is the experience of a loss of control
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#12Our brain is a face reading machine. We're very attuned to inferring emotion and inner state based on subtle facial movements.
Most of uncanny valley is down to the face moving in a way that sends disturbing emotional signals.
Not too different to how you feel when seeing the weird stare of a Zuckerberg or Elizabeth Holmes for instance.
Body language and movement would be the same, albeit simpler.
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#14Helplessness or powerlessness are very different feelings from uncanniness. I don't even think they're in the same direction of sensation.
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#15Our brain is a face reading machine. We're very attuned to inferring emotion and inner state based on subtle facial movements. Most of uncanny valley is down to the face moving in a way that sends disturbing emotional signals. Not too different to how you feel when seeing the weird stare of a Zuckerberg or Elizabeth Holmes for instance. Body language and movement would be the same, albeit simpler.
Things that look like snakes like those weird mimic moths or a coiled garden hose in tall grass can also trigger that uncanny feeling to me. I suspect serpent recognition is coded into many animals at a very deep level, and anything that trips that recognition will seem uncanny.
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#16I don't get the sense the author really understands the existing literature.
In fact, I think the author has misunderstood the main point from Mori's 1970 paper[123], the counter-intuitive relationship between "affinity"[z] and human-likeness -- the uncanny valley itself.
For a specific example, consider the discussion of Mori's "famous graph" near the beginning of the article.
> the graph assumes you have an objective and linear way to measure similarity to humans. In reality, we rely on human intuition to know what is more or less similar, and this leads to wildly inconsistent determinations.
Mori's graph isn't a data plot. It's a drawing to illustrate the concept (the "valley") in an intuitive way. I am certain that Mori understood very well (just from reading the paper, haven't a clue about anything else about him) that human perception is not an objective or linear function.
The article circles back to repeat its own talking points many times, is full of strange and unsupported claims, and the author keeps circling back to their (mis)understanding that "more human" appearance should result in a proportional "less unease", i.e. the "myth" Mori was busting way back in 1970.
This prompted me to read the paper again, so thanks for that!
[123] https://ieeexplore.ieee.org/document/6213238
[z] https://japanese.stackexchange.com/questions/11496/what-is-a...
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#17I would direct the author to Danielewski's exploration of the term in House of Leaves:
https://www.imageandnarrative.be/inarchive/uncanny/nelebemon...
iirc the gist is that is hinges on the familiar but unfamiliar, nothing to do with control.
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#18I don't get the sense the author really understands the existing literature. In fact, I think the author has misunderstood the main point from Mori's 1970 paper[123], the counter-intuitive relationship between "affinity"[z] and human-likeness -- the uncanny valley itself. For a specific example, consider the discussion of Mori's "famous graph" near the beginning of the article. > the graph assumes you have an objecti…
I agree. TFA calls out the “fundamental weakness” of the theory as a lack of specificity in definition and measurement, then goes on to make further opinionated statements as far as a proclaimed definition without referencing the much deeper history of the uncanny in literature (e.g. The Sandman, Frankenstein) and philosophy (Jentsch and Freud).
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#19I wonder if this is why people are uncomfortable with autistic people. Some subtle details of behavior are missing and they can't identify what because all the superficial features may be present. They'll tolerate it for a little while but eventually get sick of not being able to relax and accept the person as fitting into any desirable or known type of personality. Perhaps moving to a foreign country makes it easier…
I can confirm it does. Although I moved to a country with more direct auti friendly communication (USA to NL) and only recently realized I'm likely on the spectrum and this heavily motivated my desire to move here where communication is much more direct.
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#20The author starts by giving 6 tiny thumbnails 3 of which are fine and 3 of which are uncanny. I honestly don't see how the 3 marked as uncanny are uncanny. They also don't mention from which films/media those images are.
I recognized Worf, Gamora and Thanos but not the others and with the tiny thumbnails I don't see what's uncanny about those 3 pictures.