"Recall" really needs to be retired as a term.
It’s a term of art; as such, it’s probably here to stay.
But, in this case, it's not a term of art, it's a specific legal definition. It's a "recall" because Waymo filed a recall notice with the NHTSA.
Waymo issues software and mapping recall after robotaxi crashes into a pole
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Re: Waymo issues software and mapping recall after robotaxi crashes into a pole
#12I'm sure they did it out of caution, considering their excellent track record. Love this company, would like to see them expanding.
I'm interested about the legal requirements of Waymo filing a recall notice with the NHTSA. That is, all the affected cars were actually owned by Waymo - could they have just updated the cars anyway, by themselves.
To emphasize, I'm genuinely curious. I don't understand how the recall notice process works if your product isn't owned by anyone else but you.
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#13" The update corrects an error in the software that “assigned a low damage score” to the telephone pole." What did it get classified as? What's a Waymo allowed to hit?
My best guess is they're lying, or they model curbs to have a "low damage score" so its okay if the ai thinks theres a 10% chance a path will hit a curb.
I'm excited for self driving cars, but I have reservations about a system that has to hard code "don't hit a telephone pole". It reminds me of this skit https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3m5qxZm_JqM
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#14This is the most interesting part, in my opinion: > Waymo’s recall was deployed by the company’s engineers at the central depot where the vehicles return for regular maintenance and testing. It was not through an over-the-air software update, like some of Tesla’s recent recalls. I'd be interested to learn more about why the updates are manual, and also whether the map data is fully local to the vehicle. Tesla obvious…
It sounds weird to say, but updates being applied only in-garage doesn't mean they're not going over the air. However, updates can include software for between dozens and hundreds of individual processors. That makes them quite large. The real data pigs are driving logs and map data though, which are usually serious storage constraints in autonomous vehicles.
Re: Waymo issues software and mapping recall after robotaxi crashes into a pole
#15" The update corrects an error in the software that “assigned a low damage score” to the telephone pole." What did it get classified as? What's a Waymo allowed to hit?
The robocar "trolley problem" appears to be real.
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#16" The update corrects an error in the software that “assigned a low damage score” to the telephone pole." What did it get classified as? What's a Waymo allowed to hit?
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Re: Waymo issues software and mapping recall after robotaxi crashes into a pole
#17I'm sure they did it out of caution, considering their excellent track record. Love this company, would like to see them expanding.
I'm interested about the legal requirements of Waymo filing a recall notice with the NHTSA. That is, all the affected cars were actually owned by Waymo - could they have just updated the cars anyway, by themselves. To emphasize, I'm genuinely curious. I don't understand how the recall notice process works if your product isn't owned by anyone else but you.
Product recall insurance is a relatively common rider on general liability insurance. I don’t know if that’s what drives Waymo’s decision here but it’s pretty common for such policies to require the insured to play nice with regulators and not pull any stunts, otherwise they’ll fight any payout.
Re: Waymo issues software and mapping recall after robotaxi crashes into a pole
#18Earlier quoted context omitted.
It’s a term of art; as such, it’s probably here to stay.
But, in this case, it's not a term of art, it's a specific legal definition. It's a "recall" because Waymo filed a recall notice with the NHTSA.
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noun: term of art; plural noun: terms of art
a word or phrase that has a precise, specialized meaning within a particular field or profession. "‘public domain’ is a term of art in copyright law and you shouldn't throw it around if you don't know what it means"
Re: Waymo issues software and mapping recall after robotaxi crashes into a pole
#19"Recall" really needs to be retired as a term.
What'd be the proper term then? In french when, for example, many cars are sent back to the dealerships (or factory) to fix something, it's called a "campagne de rappel ("recall campaign").
P.S: I've got nothing against "recall" being recalled so that it can be fixed ; )
Re: Waymo issues software and mapping recall after robotaxi crashes into a pole
#20" The update corrects an error in the software that “assigned a low damage score” to the telephone pole." What did it get classified as? What's a Waymo allowed to hit?
My best guess is they're lying, or they model curbs to have a "low damage score" so its okay if the ai thinks theres a 10% chance a path will hit a curb. I'm excited for self driving cars, but I have reservations about a system that has to hard code "don't hit a telephone pole". It reminds me of this skit https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3m5qxZm_JqM
> My best guess is they're lying
It would be extremely silly to lie about an implementation detail that doesn't matter in an official recall filing with an agency currently investigating you for your reporting of incidents like this.
It could also just be everything gets a damage score, including reflection artifacts that aren't really there or paper garbage in the road, and in this case the pole was identified incorrectly, given a low score, and the car thought it could keep driving.
The verge seems to quote the filing, it would be nice if they had linked it. I can't find it from searching.