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The Titan Submersible Disaster. The Inside Story Is More Disturbing

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Re: The Titan Submersible Disaster. The Inside Story Is More Disturbing

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The inventor of the parachute probably didn't take several people with him on false premises.

#DearMoon (though, hopefully was cancelled instead of rushed, otherwise people would have died according to current state). Pioneers can go to great lengths to overpromise safety, budget, and timeline to secure funding.

They wouldn't launch that until the vehicle is human rated though...

Re: The Titan Submersible Disaster. The Inside Story Is More Disturbing

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He already got punished by life, no need to blame him posthumous. He is like one of the inventors of the parachute (Franz Karl Reichelt), still wanted to try because he believed in it. Unfortunately believing is not enough when it comes to reliability. Effort was good though, as apparently it worked at some point. > This submersible design, later renamed Titan, eventually made it down to the Titanic in 2021. It even…

> I'm sure SpaceX already knows the rockets won't make it back intact, but they still launch anyway (despite the losses).

I'm certain they don't have this attitude with manned trips.

Re: The Titan Submersible Disaster. The Inside Story Is More Disturbing

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post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

#DearMoon (though, hopefully was cancelled instead of rushed, otherwise people would have died according to current state). Pioneers can go to great lengths to overpromise safety, budget, and timeline to secure funding.

They wouldn't launch that until the vehicle is human rated though...

In practice: a hard deadline/budget + customers who already paid can lead to a disaster.

Not saying this is wise, but at least he went with the customers, so he was all-in with them.

Stockton Rush himself during his public interventions made it clear such explorations were scary and dangerous:

"it made a lot of noise, which is a very sphincter-tightening experience".

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> This is such an amazingly delicious piece of schadenfreude.

It doesn't work out that way for me due to the deaths of passengers that had no responsibility for anything here, and whose only mistake was trusting Rush too much.

Re: The Titan Submersible Disaster. The Inside Story Is More Disturbing

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post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They wouldn't launch that until the vehicle is human rated though...

In practice: a hard deadline/budget + customers who already paid can lead to a disaster. Not saying this is wise, but at least he went with the customers, so he was all-in with them. Stockton Rush himself during his public interventions made it clear such explorations were scary and dangerous: "it made a lot of noise, which is a very sphincter-tightening experience".

I think the value of money is well established, it doesn't justify killing several others.

With how rich this guy was, and based on the article, it was probably hubris anyways.

Re: The Titan Submersible Disaster. The Inside Story Is More Disturbing

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He already got punished by life, no need to blame him posthumous. He is like one of the inventors of the parachute (Franz Karl Reichelt), still wanted to try because he believed in it. Unfortunately believing is not enough when it comes to reliability. Effort was good though, as apparently it worked at some point. > This submersible design, later renamed Titan, eventually made it down to the Titanic in 2021. It even…

The only comparison we should make of Stockton Rush is Icarus.

Re: The Titan Submersible Disaster. The Inside Story Is More Disturbing

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post #4

He already got punished by life, no need to blame him posthumous. He is like one of the inventors of the parachute (Franz Karl Reichelt), still wanted to try because he believed in it. Unfortunately believing is not enough when it comes to reliability. Effort was good though, as apparently it worked at some point. > This submersible design, later renamed Titan, eventually made it down to the Titanic in 2021. It even…

> I'm sure SpaceX already knows the rockets won't make it back intact, but they still launch anyway (despite the losses). I'm certain they don't have this attitude with manned trips.

Their attitude for crewed flights is to put pictures of the astronauts on every work order generated for the mission.
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