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The Era of the Autodidact Is Here (2018)

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Everybody is self-taught. If you went to university (for example), the professor was there to set the curriculum and force you to study (things that otherwise you didn't know were important or didn't want to pick on your own). Teachers helping with a student's question is a very small fraction of learning. We learnt x because we practiced x ourselves.

>the professor was there to set the curriculum and force you to study (things that otherwise you didn't know were important or didn't want to pick on your own

That's what it means to NOT be self-taught.

That you got an organized overview of a subject in a systematic manner.

What was the expectation otherwise? That somehow another person instilled all your knowledge directly into your brain?

Re: The Era of the Autodidact Is Here (2018)

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On one hand, there's this. On the other hand, with the toughening of the job market, companies are selecting by degrees and pedigrees more than ever. The last company I worked for is currently doing this exactly, only looking at applications from people graduating from select universities. So far it's working for them. As the job market gets worse, I think this trend of stronger emphasis on degrees and pedigrees will…

Somehow, late stage capitalism seems to bring us to this winner-take-all environment. We are being separated into rich and poor and forced farther and farther apart. In large part for the reasons you stated, I'm sending one kid to a $100k per year private university instead of the $7k per year state school. I was helping my kid try to apply for summer jobs. It involved a lot of 2FA apps and QR codes, which needed to…

As a child who went through this, I could not put a child of my own through that system; I couldn’t do the pointless teacher-pleasing busy-work and it took a piece of my soul and childhood away. On the other hand, I totally understand the necessity of it. Squaring the circle on those two contradictory feelings was quite simple for me - simply don’t have children. I thought I was a bit unusual for that, buy it seems that this is more common than I thought; fertility is falling throughout the developed world and I think super intensive parenting expectations have to be at least a part of that.

Re: The Era of the Autodidact Is Here (2018)

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Everybody is self-taught. If you went to university (for example), the professor was there to set the curriculum and force you to study (things that otherwise you didn't know were important or didn't want to pick on your own). Teachers helping with a student's question is a very small fraction of learning. We learnt x because we practiced x ourselves.

The difference is that some folks require having a instructor/coach/mentor motivating and guiding their study more than other folks. Of course it is a continuum and can vary based on the topic.

Re: The Era of the Autodidact Is Here (2018)

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Everybody is self-taught. If you went to university (for example), the professor was there to set the curriculum and force you to study (things that otherwise you didn't know were important or didn't want to pick on your own). Teachers helping with a student's question is a very small fraction of learning. We learnt x because we practiced x ourselves.

> the professor was there to set the curriculum and force you to study (things that otherwise you didn't know were important or didn't want to pick on your own That's what it means to NOT be self-taught. That you got an organized overview of a subject in a systematic manner. What was the expectation otherwise? That somehow another person instilled all your knowledge directly into your brain?

> What was the expectation otherwise? That somehow another person instilled all your knowledge directly into your brain?

Perhaps close instruction and observation and correction? More like an apprenticeship, or the way your parents may have taught you how to ride a bike or use utensils etc etc, which differs markedly from a professor speaking to a large group and leaving the struggle and attempt to master a subject to the independent study of the pupil.

Re: The Era of the Autodidact Is Here (2018)

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On one hand, there's this. On the other hand, with the toughening of the job market, companies are selecting by degrees and pedigrees more than ever. The last company I worked for is currently doing this exactly, only looking at applications from people graduating from select universities. So far it's working for them. As the job market gets worse, I think this trend of stronger emphasis on degrees and pedigrees will…

Somehow, late stage capitalism seems to bring us to this winner-take-all environment. We are being separated into rich and poor and forced farther and farther apart. In large part for the reasons you stated, I'm sending one kid to a $100k per year private university instead of the $7k per year state school. I was helping my kid try to apply for summer jobs. It involved a lot of 2FA apps and QR codes, which needed to…

I totally agree with the your frustration over the technological barriers... you should not need a cell phone to survive/thrive in this world. We're designing a world where the concept of "affordance" is replaced by "dependence".

On the other hand, investing the $93k/year difference in the state/public institutions where your child might have gone seems like a better pathway to a win-win scenario.

(But, does this really make any sense when our learning institutions move at a bureacratic snails pace, and are bogged down by egos and other inefficiencies? Meh.)

Perhaps we should consider running learning-institutions like lean startups where, instead of success being measured by capital wealth, well-being and innovation are the KPIs.

Re: The Era of the Autodidact Is Here (2018)

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Everybody is self-taught. If you went to university (for example), the professor was there to set the curriculum and force you to study (things that otherwise you didn't know were important or didn't want to pick on your own). Teachers helping with a student's question is a very small fraction of learning. We learnt x because we practiced x ourselves.

And the ultimate university degree, the PhD, is all about learning how to learn. It's unlikely that you will continue to work on the project you did your dissertation on where you spent 3 to 6 years becoming an expert on in grad school. The point wasn't getting the knowledge, it was developing the skills to get up to speed on a new topic quickly.

Re: The Era of the Autodidact Is Here (2018)

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On one hand, there's this. On the other hand, with the toughening of the job market, companies are selecting by degrees and pedigrees more than ever. The last company I worked for is currently doing this exactly, only looking at applications from people graduating from select universities. So far it's working for them. As the job market gets worse, I think this trend of stronger emphasis on degrees and pedigrees will…

I never managed to finish my degree mainly due to dyslexia, and started working as a self-taught programmer, but I can only second this opinion. My CV doesn't get past most first screenings and even then people sort of treat you like a second class citizen. Maybe I should start lying about my lack of a degree like a real con man.

> Maybe I should start lying about my lack of a degree like a real con man.

Nah. The world needs more people with principles and strong moral character.

Re: The Era of the Autodidact Is Here (2018)

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On one hand, there's this. On the other hand, with the toughening of the job market, companies are selecting by degrees and pedigrees more than ever. The last company I worked for is currently doing this exactly, only looking at applications from people graduating from select universities. So far it's working for them. As the job market gets worse, I think this trend of stronger emphasis on degrees and pedigrees will…

> So far it's working for them. As the job market gets worse, I think this trend of stronger emphasis on degrees and pedigrees will only get stronger.

In retrospect, some of the worst advice I got from the internet and even the real world was that college was overrated.

I did well in college, went above and beyond in my studies, and learned a lot. But I did not go to the most prestigious university I could have attended. It was far more of a missed opportunity than I would have guessed.

At the time, the narrative was that colleges are antiquated institutions. They were going away for top careers, and people were fools to invest so much time and money into what was dismissed as rote memorization. Influential and powerful tech figures ranted about college being bad, people obsessed over entrepreneurs who had dropped out of college, and everyone could tell you about Peter Thiel paying people to drop out of college.

Years later, I realized that all of those famous and influential people ranting about college actually did everything in their power to send their kids to prestigious universities. They knew the value of those degrees. Those internet commenters beating the “college bad” drum were more angry about their own degrees being at a disadvantage than they were about speaking any truths.

I’m doing fine with my own degree, but there were so many times where it would have been so much easier to walk into situations with a degree from an Ivy League university. I sat at a table one time where the head of the department I joined flat out told us that he’d need to hire someone with an Ivy League degree or experience at one of the Big management firms to lead us, otherwise the other part of the company wouldn’t take us seriously. These situations do exist, although they’re not everywhere. As long as the situation exists, it’s statistically more helpful to have that prestigious degree.

Re: The Era of the Autodidact Is Here (2018)

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Everybody is self-taught. If you went to university (for example), the professor was there to set the curriculum and force you to study (things that otherwise you didn't know were important or didn't want to pick on your own). Teachers helping with a student's question is a very small fraction of learning. We learnt x because we practiced x ourselves.

And the ultimate university degree, the PhD, is all about learning how to learn. It's unlikely that you will continue to work on the project you did your dissertation on where you spent 3 to 6 years becoming an expert on in grad school. The point wasn't getting the knowledge, it was developing the skills to get up to speed on a new topic quickly.

Does it really deliver on that though?
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