Hitler also had the same hand gesture in his portrait by Heinrich Knirr
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That is a joke... the "ok" symbol being associated with "white piwer" is a complete and total fabrication.
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#12I am confused why this appears on NIH.gov
A division of the NIH (NCBI) maintains a repository of open access publications in life sciences called PubMed Central (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PubMed_Central) and this article was in a qualifying journal.
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#13I am confused why this appears on NIH.gov
One of the proposed explanations was that lots of people actually had fingers which naturally posed like that, which, if true, would be of interest to people in biomedicine. The paper was published in Acta Biomedica, an international, peer-reviewed, open access journal that publishes original research articles, reviews, and case reports in the field of biomedical sciences. It then got slurped into various journal indices and online libraries, including the National Library of Medicine at the NIH.
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#14Earlier quoted context omitted.
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That is a joke... the "ok" symbol being associated with "white piwer" is a complete and total fabrication.
Even if it started as a fabrication it was pretty quickly adopted by the crowd you’d expect to be using such a hand gesture. IOW “Teehee I’m doing a hand gesture everyone thinks is racist but its not because its an internet joke” isnt the own you think it is.
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That is a joke... the "ok" symbol being associated with "white piwer" is a complete and total fabrication.
Even if it started as a fabrication it was pretty quickly adopted by the crowd you’d expect to be using such a hand gesture. IOW “Teehee I’m doing a hand gesture everyone thinks is racist but its not because its an internet joke” isnt the own you think it is.
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#16Earlier quoted context omitted.
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That is a joke... the "ok" symbol being associated with "white piwer" is a complete and total fabrication.
That's the magic of human beings. Once the joke spreads to the point where the people who are in on it are flashing the symbol for the lolz, it no longer matters how it started or if there is no historical basis for the connection between the symbol and certain beliefs. The association exists now, however ironically.
Oh look, the guy who is racist is flashing the ok symbol. His buddy, who is in the same spaces online is flashing the symbol as a joke. How can we not make certain assumptions about the second person and what they think?
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That is a joke... the "ok" symbol being associated with "white piwer" is a complete and total fabrication.
And? Words and phrases are often adopted by a group to mean things they didn't. The ok hand gesture was a joke then it was embraced by Nazis and here we are.
But you knew that.
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That is a joke... the "ok" symbol being associated with "white piwer" is a complete and total fabrication.
Uh, no. It started as a joke, and then was absolutely adopted "as a joke" by white supremacists... which is functionally equivalent to a symbol of white supremacists. Not many people who aren't white supremacists are comfortable being labeled as one, and no one would "throw" this sign without knowledge they'd be labeled as a white supremacist, ergo either you're one of the few who's comfortable being labeled that way despite not being one (in which case yeah, you'll be labeled that way and don't have much to complain about), or you are one.
That is exactly how all social signals work.
https://nypost.com/2019/03/15/suspected-new-zealand-shooter-...
Note: I do think people are sometimes too ambitious to leap toward accidental/arguable "flashing" of this sign as evidence of this belief system, but there are absolutely people who are consciously, deliberately, and sincerely doing it.
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Even if it started as a fabrication it was pretty quickly adopted by the crowd you’d expect to be using such a hand gesture. IOW “Teehee I’m doing a hand gesture everyone thinks is racist but its not because its an internet joke” isnt the own you think it is.
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#20Earlier quoted context omitted.
Even if it started as a fabrication it was pretty quickly adopted by the crowd you’d expect to be using such a hand gesture. IOW “Teehee I’m doing a hand gesture everyone thinks is racist but its not because its an internet joke” isnt the own you think it is.
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Except by the Christchurch shooter in court: https://nypost.com/2019/03/15/suspected-new-zealand-shooter-...
And on Jan 6: https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/interactive/2021/far-r...
And the Proud Boys: https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/roger-stone-proud-boys/
Yes it started as "a joke" to troll the libs. And then became and has been used as intended.