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The Collapse Is Coming. Will Humanity Adapt?

nautil.us

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Re: The Collapse Is Coming. Will Humanity Adapt?

#11

Sundays on HN are a weird thing. It’s the only day of the week when I see the nutty anti-car takes, de-growth takes, climate doomerism, etc. Monday through Saturday, tech news (mostly). Sunday, unhinged nutballism.

What about this is "nutballism"? Reducing dependency on cars and preventing climate disaster are objective goods.

There is no objective proof “global society” will collapse by 2040 as the article claims.

Re: The Collapse Is Coming. Will Humanity Adapt?

#12

To anyone feeling anxious about the future after reading this article: We have the technology to pause the worst effects of climate change indefinitely for a few billion dollars a year: https://news.uchicago.edu/radical-solution-address-climate-c... It’s far from a complete solution, but it works well enough that the future described in the article is much more a dark fantasy than a likely reality.

We had the technology to prevent climate change for a few billion dollar per year.

Didn't happen.

Re: The Collapse Is Coming. Will Humanity Adapt?

#13
post #12

To anyone feeling anxious about the future after reading this article: We have the technology to pause the worst effects of climate change indefinitely for a few billion dollars a year: https://news.uchicago.edu/radical-solution-address-climate-c... It’s far from a complete solution, but it works well enough that the future described in the article is much more a dark fantasy than a likely reality.

We had the technology to prevent climate change for a few billion dollar per year. Didn't happen.

Do you have any evidence to support this claim?

The availability of economically competitive alternatives to fossil fuels (like cheap solar + batteries) is a very recent development.

Re: The Collapse Is Coming. Will Humanity Adapt?

#14

As logical as it is, I think advocacy of “degrowth” is a sure formula to put the far right in the driver’s seat and anyone who is seriously concerned about survival as forming another ingroup-outgrouo thing needs and answer to that.

Ok, try a different lens.

"Optimise" is never a neutral verb, we always optimise /for/.

Growth-above-all capitalists observe, correctly, the correlation between economic output and human wellbeing, and assume, incorrectly, a relationship that is both purely and directly causal and straight-up linear.

What if we optimise for human wellbeing and build a society that works less like a Prescott Pentium 4 and more like an iPhone? Figure out what really matters and then set about doing more with less.

(Answers that will be uncomfortably socialist for some - public-ish goods being more efficient in many cases than private everything, and uncomfortably technocratic for others, but tough...)

Because doing more with more is running out of runway. And in this game, you can't just declare bankruptcy and start again. There's no second chances here.

Re: The Collapse Is Coming. Will Humanity Adapt?

#15

To anyone feeling anxious about the future after reading this article: We have the technology to pause the worst effects of climate change indefinitely for a few billion dollars a year: https://news.uchicago.edu/radical-solution-address-climate-c... It’s far from a complete solution, but it works well enough that the future described in the article is much more a dark fantasy than a likely reality.

The "solution" you're showcasing only addresses global warming, not climate change, nor any of the other facets of the environmental crisis (e.g. biodiversity collapse, ocean acidification, soil depletion, fresh water pollution, etc...). Techno-solutionism at its finest!

Re: The Collapse Is Coming. Will Humanity Adapt?

#16

I've made peace with the fact that a portion of humanity is always convinced the world will end soon. I guess it serves some evolutionary purpose, since it's so deeply ingrained. We've done quite well with these people among us so far, despite them always, since the dawn of humanity, being wrong.

Well, this time they have some proof.

Also, the world is not ending. Just the way it has been working since the Industrial age.

Re: The Collapse Is Coming. Will Humanity Adapt?

#17

Sundays on HN are a weird thing. It’s the only day of the week when I see the nutty anti-car takes, de-growth takes, climate doomerism, etc. Monday through Saturday, tech news (mostly). Sunday, unhinged nutballism.

What about this is "nutballism"? Reducing dependency on cars and preventing climate disaster are objective goods.

People dependent on cars for nearly all their activities, find it very hard to imagine a world where they are not. Many of them have shaped their entire lives around cars. They live in places where the closest grocery store is 20 minutes away by car. Where it’s barely safe to cross the street in front of their house on foot.

Folks in these situations think the idea of not using a car to get around is crazy, because in some ways it is. It’s not the majority of people though. In the US the majority of people, 70%, live within 2 miles of all their basic needs. That’s the distance that more than 25% of people living in Denmark choose to ride a bike for an errand rather than drive.

https://www.visitdenmark.com/press/latest-news/facts-and-fig...

Re: The Collapse Is Coming. Will Humanity Adapt?

#18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What about this is "nutballism"? Reducing dependency on cars and preventing climate disaster are objective goods.

There is no objective proof “global society” will collapse by 2040 as the article claims.

There won't ever be, until it's too late. We're propped up by unsustainable tech, ocean temperatures are on the rise. So we ignore it and continue?

Re: The Collapse Is Coming. Will Humanity Adapt?

#20

I've made peace with the fact that a portion of humanity is always convinced the world will end soon. I guess it serves some evolutionary purpose, since it's so deeply ingrained. We've done quite well with these people among us so far, despite them always, since the dawn of humanity, being wrong.

> being wrong

The last collapse happended to the natives of a whole continent just a few centuries ago by new types of disease. I don't think they expected that, so they didn't need to be wrong, it just happened.

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