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The Forgotten History of Chinese Keyboards

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Re: The Forgotten History of Chinese Keyboards

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Thank God it didn’t happen.

Vietnamese is relatively OK.

Relatively. The amount of diacritics on Vietnamese surpasses European languages so text rendering becomes a challenge if a naive developer doesn't test with Vietnamese.

Re: The Forgotten History of Chinese Keyboards

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“Safari can’t open the page because the address is invalid” How strange. More on topic: Considering how inefficient Chinese characters are in general (but especially evident in computing) as one of the few languages where characters have no direct relation to phonetics, I wonder why there hasn’t been an effort to modernize it similar to Hiragana in Japan. Well, considering how Chinese is basically Kanji, why not just…

> how inefficient Chinese characters are in general (but especially evident in computing)

We are not in the 90s anymore. UTF-8 has been around for 32 years now. If you’re working for a system that has no UTF-8 support, you have a much bigger problem to worry about.

> characters have no direct relation to phonetics

Most characters are phono-semantic where one part of the character is a phonetic hint and the other is a semantic hint.

> modernize it similar to Hiragana

Hiragana isn’t and wasn’t intended to replace kanji (unless you are from the fringe Kanamozikai). It serves a different grammatical purpose and is complementary to the other two. Kana is useful for an agglutinating language like Japanese, but not Chinese languages.

Re: The Forgotten History of Chinese Keyboards

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> like Chairman Mao Zedong, who seemed to equate Chinese modernization with the Romanization of Chinese script One of Mao's better ideas

Romanization of Chinese writing was already proposed during the New Culture movement in the 1910s-20s. China's most famous modern writer supported it.

However, the Chinese language has evolved alongside the characters for about 3000 years, and it's very difficult to just separate the two. A huge amount of culture is bound up with the characters. Not only that, but the Romanized writing system is viewed as something that only little children use (as an aid to learn the characters). Once you've put in the effort to learn the characters (as about a billion people have), it's very difficult to accept their replacement by what is viewed as a script for children.

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> like Chairman Mao Zedong, who seemed to equate Chinese modernization with the Romanization of Chinese script One of Mao's better ideas

Thank God it didn’t happen.

pinyin is the best thing that happened to the language after simplification.

Not only did it propel literacy rates to basically 100%, but it added a phonetic component to the language

Re: The Forgotten History of Chinese Keyboards

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> like Chairman Mao Zedong, who seemed to equate Chinese modernization with the Romanization of Chinese script One of Mao's better ideas

Romanization of Chinese writing was already proposed during the New Culture movement in the 1910s-20s. China's most famous modern writer supported it. However, the Chinese language has evolved alongside the characters for about 3000 years, and it's very difficult to just separate the two. A huge amount of culture is bound up with the characters. Not only that, but the Romanized writing system is viewed as something t…

Almost all digital communication is written using pinyin, which today is almost all written communication

Re: The Forgotten History of Chinese Keyboards

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post #13
post #10

“Safari can’t open the page because the address is invalid” How strange. More on topic: Considering how inefficient Chinese characters are in general (but especially evident in computing) as one of the few languages where characters have no direct relation to phonetics, I wonder why there hasn’t been an effort to modernize it similar to Hiragana in Japan. Well, considering how Chinese is basically Kanji, why not just…

> how inefficient Chinese characters are in general (but especially evident in computing) We are not in the 90s anymore. UTF-8 has been around for 32 years now. If you’re working for a system that has no UTF-8 support, you have a much bigger problem to worry about. > characters have no direct relation to phonetics Most characters are phono-semantic where one part of the character is a phonetic hint and the other is a…

> Kana is useful for an agglutinating language like Japanese, but not Chinese languages.

FWIW, the Japanese did develop a kana-based system for Taiwanese during the occupation, but it was an abomination.[1]

[1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taiwanese_kana

Re: The Forgotten History of Chinese Keyboards

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Romanization of Chinese writing was already proposed during the New Culture movement in the 1910s-20s. China's most famous modern writer supported it. However, the Chinese language has evolved alongside the characters for about 3000 years, and it's very difficult to just separate the two. A huge amount of culture is bound up with the characters. Not only that, but the Romanized writing system is viewed as something t…

Almost all digital communication is written using pinyin, which today is almost all written communication

This is an extremely mainland-centric view. Cangjie is the dominant IME in Hong Kong.

Re: The Forgotten History of Chinese Keyboards

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post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Almost all digital communication is written using pinyin, which today is almost all written communication

This is an extremely mainland-centric view. Cangjie is the dominant IME in Hong Kong.

That's why I said almost all

Re: The Forgotten History of Chinese Keyboards

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> like Chairman Mao Zedong, who seemed to equate Chinese modernization with the Romanization of Chinese script One of Mao's better ideas

Romanization of Chinese writing was already proposed during the New Culture movement in the 1910s-20s. China's most famous modern writer supported it. However, the Chinese language has evolved alongside the characters for about 3000 years, and it's very difficult to just separate the two. A huge amount of culture is bound up with the characters. Not only that, but the Romanized writing system is viewed as something t…

The nice thing about Chinese is information density of writing. Something nice about seeing how much information can be squeezed into a small space. Feels like you front load more on the learning side, but get rewarded when reading and scanning texts. Not sure how much scientific evidence is behind that, just an anecdotal observation. Relatively few Chinese speakers want to give up characters.
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