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Writing a Unix clone in about a month
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Re: Writing a Unix clone in about a month
#12I was interested in Hare until I found this immensely self-defeating FAQ item: https://harelang.org/documentation/faq.html#will-hare-suppor... As a baseline, I support developers using whatever license they would like, and targeting whatever operating systems, indeed, writing whatever code they would like in the process. That doesn't make this specific policy a good idea. Even FSF, generally considered the most extre…
"The goal of Hare is not to achieve the broadest possible reach, but to be a part of a broader system which effectively achieves Hare’s goals."
Re: Writing a Unix clone in about a month
#13I was interested in Hare until I found this immensely self-defeating FAQ item: https://harelang.org/documentation/faq.html#will-hare-suppor... As a baseline, I support developers using whatever license they would like, and targeting whatever operating systems, indeed, writing whatever code they would like in the process. That doesn't make this specific policy a good idea. Even FSF, generally considered the most extre…
It says they won’t officially support Windows or MacOS. Some other project can try to port it if they want, right? It seems good of them to be honest about their intended level of support.
Supporting an OS the devs don’t use is a big ask.
Re: Writing a Unix clone in about a month
#14Impressive, super cool, and inspiring! Example of “creating something impressive in X days” requires a lot of experience and talent that is built over years .
Also the creator of KnightOS, written entirely in Z80 assembly, more than 12 years ago!
https://www.ticalc.org/archives/files/fileinfo/463/46387.htm...
Re: Writing a Unix clone in about a month
#15This is really cool. Reminds me of the original Unix was invented in a couple weeks while Ritchie's family went on vacation to CA to visit his in-laws.
Source: UNIX: A History and a Memoir Paperback – October 18, 2019 by Brian W Kernighan (Author)
Re: Writing a Unix clone in about a month
#16I was interested in Hare until I found this immensely self-defeating FAQ item: https://harelang.org/documentation/faq.html#will-hare-suppor... As a baseline, I support developers using whatever license they would like, and targeting whatever operating systems, indeed, writing whatever code they would like in the process. That doesn't make this specific policy a good idea. Even FSF, generally considered the most extre…
On the one hand, I can respect the authors for sticking to what they want to accomplish and not accommodating every demand.
On the other hand, that is hardly the only thing from the FAQ that raises one's eyebrows:
> we have no package manager and encourage less code reuse as a shared value
> qbe generates slower code compared to LLVM, with the performance ranging from 25% to 75% the runtime performance of comparable LLVM-generated code
> Can I use multithreading in Hare? Probably not.
> So I need to implement hash tables myself? Indeed. Hash tables are a common data structure that many Hare programs will need to implement from scratch.
As it stands, this is definitely not a language designed for mass adoption. Which is fine, and at least they're upfront about it.
Re: Writing a Unix clone in about a month
#17It was really cool watching the ~daily updates on this on Mastodon - seeing how someone so skilled gradually pieces together a complex piece of software.
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#18> I also finally learned how signals work from top to bottom, and boy is it ugly. I’ve always felt that this was one of the weakest points in the design of Unix and this project did nothing to disabuse me of that notion.
Would love any resources that goes in more details, if any HN-er or the author himself knows of some!
Re: Writing a Unix clone in about a month
#19This is really cool. Reminds me of the original Unix was invented in a couple weeks while Ritchie's family went on vacation to CA to visit his in-laws. Source: UNIX: A History and a Memoir Paperback – October 18, 2019 by Brian W Kernighan (Author)
But I think it’s relevant to say that before writing Unix he was working on Multics for a long time already. Unix was a “simplified” version of it, if I remember well. So it didn’t “spring out of thin air.”
Re: Writing a Unix clone in about a month
#20I was interested in Hare until I found this immensely self-defeating FAQ item: https://harelang.org/documentation/faq.html#will-hare-suppor... As a baseline, I support developers using whatever license they would like, and targeting whatever operating systems, indeed, writing whatever code they would like in the process. That doesn't make this specific policy a good idea. Even FSF, generally considered the most extre…
> But why would I invest in learning a language which imposes an arbitrary purity test on developers?
While I understand your concerns, I disagree with your the idea of “imposition”. Someone doing something for free doesn’t owe anyone to do it in a particular way (as long as it’s not malevolent). You’re free to express your opinion, but if the developer has already established his guidelines, criticisms like this is not constructive.