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LunarML – Standard ML compiler that produces Lua/JavaScript

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Re: LunarML – Standard ML compiler that produces Lua/JavaScript

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I've had a great time discovering Fable, which compiles F# to JS or TS.

The cost of moving from VSCode to neovim has always put me off, but if I could write the config in F# it would tempt me more.

How far is standard ML from F#?

Is there any existing compiler for F# => Lua?

Re: LunarML – Standard ML compiler that produces Lua/JavaScript

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post #11

I've had a great time discovering Fable, which compiles F# to JS or TS. The cost of moving from VSCode to neovim has always put me off, but if I could write the config in F# it would tempt me more. How far is standard ML from F#? Is there any existing compiler for F# => Lua?

Have you been using Fable? What has been your experience?

Re: LunarML – Standard ML compiler that produces Lua/JavaScript

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I've always loved Standard ML and feel it's never gotten the love that it deserved. It was my introduction to typed FP concepts via this course (Part A) https://www.coursera.org/learn/programming-languages

Is there any reason to use SML instead of OCaml in 2024?

Re: LunarML – Standard ML compiler that produces Lua/JavaScript

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I've always loved Standard ML and feel it's never gotten the love that it deserved. It was my introduction to typed FP concepts via this course (Part A) https://www.coursera.org/learn/programming-languages

Is there any reason to use SML instead of OCaml in 2024?

Multicore programming that isn’t covered in stickers about being bleeding edge and not fully integrated with the rest of stdlib(s?). Since the 90s. :)

And a minor point: operator arguments (as well as curried arguments) are evaluated left-to-right, not right-to-left like in OCaml.

Re: LunarML – Standard ML compiler that produces Lua/JavaScript

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post #11

I've had a great time discovering Fable, which compiles F# to JS or TS. The cost of moving from VSCode to neovim has always put me off, but if I could write the config in F# it would tempt me more. How far is standard ML from F#? Is there any existing compiler for F# => Lua?

Standard ML is pretty simple and easy to pick up, but a weak point is the lack of { record with updatedValue } syntax to create a new record which is the same as an existing one but with some value changed. You have to specify every field in the record which can be a pain depending on how large your record is.

Standard ML has some nice features though and I think what I mentioned is the only serious shortcoming (except for ecosystem if that's important to you).

Standard ML is also structurally (but strongly) typed, unlike F# and the vast majority of nominally typed languages, which is rare but nice.

type person = { age : int, name : string }

is the same as the type

type animal = { age : int, name = string }

but this hasn't been an issue foe me, and structural typing means you can avoid defining the type at all which is convenient for small records.

For example, a function to increment age has no need for you to define the type.

fun grow { name, age } = { name = name, age = age + 1 }

I think Standard ML helps you understand the origin of some common FP idioms. Like tuples are really just records and SML treats them as such. The empty record {} is the same as the empty tuple (): both are the unit type. And a record like { 1 : "a", 2 : "b" } is exactly the same as the tuple ("a", "b").

Re: LunarML – Standard ML compiler that produces Lua/JavaScript

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post #11

I've had a great time discovering Fable, which compiles F# to JS or TS. The cost of moving from VSCode to neovim has always put me off, but if I could write the config in F# it would tempt me more. How far is standard ML from F#? Is there any existing compiler for F# => Lua?

> How far is standard ML from F#?

There was a time when F# was just an OCaml extension for .NET, but it has developed a lot since.

You may not find a lot of in-depth comparisons between F# and Standard ML, because Standard ML isn't widely mentioned outside of academic research. But you do find comparisons between F# and OCaml, and that may paint a very similar picture:

https://jkone27-3876.medium.com/comparing-ocaml-to-f-f75e4ab...

The most significant differences I can think of are:

1) Standard ML and OCaml have a higher-order module system, and F# has interfaces that you can parameterise over generics.

2) The OCaml ecosystem is functional code on top of functional code, and F# is made to interact with non-functional code on .NET. (As for Standard ML, there isn't much of an ecosystem.)

Re: LunarML – Standard ML compiler that produces Lua/JavaScript

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post #11

I've had a great time discovering Fable, which compiles F# to JS or TS. The cost of moving from VSCode to neovim has always put me off, but if I could write the config in F# it would tempt me more. How far is standard ML from F#? Is there any existing compiler for F# => Lua?

Have you been using Fable? What has been your experience?

Not in production.

As an F# newbie, I hit some incompatibility early on with my initial library choices. Not everything works in fable. When I found Safe Stack, that went away.

Then it was great. Hot reload; generated js is passable; I'm doing front end in F# with zero JS and almost no html.

Re: LunarML – Standard ML compiler that produces Lua/JavaScript

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I got tricked up by the acronym. This compiles the programming language "Standard ML [Meta Language]" to the programming languages Lua or JavaScript. It's not a machine learning compiler.

That's okay, I thought it was machine language at first.

Re: LunarML – Standard ML compiler that produces Lua/JavaScript

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I've always loved Standard ML and feel it's never gotten the love that it deserved. It was my introduction to typed FP concepts via this course (Part A) https://www.coursera.org/learn/programming-languages

StandardML is the most practical functional programming language IMO. It concedes that mutation improves performance, laziness is hard for humans to optimize, and side effects exist. At the same time, it has avoided the weirdness of Ocaml or the unnecessary complexity of F#.

It's use of structural typing (like Typescript) rather than nominal typing is great. It winds up feeling a lot like a scripting language, but with better type safety than most non-scripting languages. The CML (concurrent ML) proposals are also much more mathematically grounded, consistent, and nice to use compared to most other languages.

Re: LunarML – Standard ML compiler that produces Lua/JavaScript

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post #11

I've had a great time discovering Fable, which compiles F# to JS or TS. The cost of moving from VSCode to neovim has always put me off, but if I could write the config in F# it would tempt me more. How far is standard ML from F#? Is there any existing compiler for F# => Lua?

Unless you are targeting browser, not using .NET as back-end for F# seems like a poor idea as you really are sacrificing the tooling and a lot of performance.
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