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Discussion: Job seekers can't find a job and Employers can't find an employees

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Re: Discussion: Job seekers can't find a job and Employers can't find an employees

#13
I don't understand the hiring people industry.

The questions thrown at me are trivia, if I knew the answer, or not, it doesn't mean anything. People are looking for weird specifics for things that ... really don't need it. The job inevitably doesn't even rely on those specifics.

I'll learn whatever anyone wants, I like doing that ... no honestly I do.

Can I just talk to the folks I'll potentially be working with / for right away? No? Why?

Looking for a job should be fun with all the possibilities, and yet it's a bureaucratic, unprofessional, and opaque nightmare. I don't understand what is going on.

Re: Discussion: Job seekers can't find a job and Employers can't find an employees

#15
Job market has deteriorated a lot. Most companies are afraid to invest because of a possible recession and AI.

Companies are only hiring people that perfectly fit their criteria. No more budget for junior devs and people that needs any kind of training.

Most companies keep roles open but don't hire anyone, because typically they have recruiters in house and need to give them something to do.

I know this based on mine and other friends that are execs in big companies. It has never been that bad for new grads.

Even before software engineering was hyped and paid well, you could expect a job once you graduate, this is no longer the case as so many people have chosen to study CS because of $. And now the big employers aren't hiring that much.

Re: Discussion: Job seekers can't find a job and Employers can't find an employees

#16
Hiring markets (linkedin/indeed) are broken unless the hiring company pays, and the market incentives drive them to be the least broken experience for the candidate.

Medium touch hiring (Hired dot com / trilobyte) doesn't scale like recruiting firms tend not to scale well, so there's good small/medium business there, but technology can't fix the human incentive problems so they end up succumbing to the same issues and the problem comes back.

Re: Discussion: Job seekers can't find a job and Employers can't find an employees

#17
The solution is to destroy blind techno-utopianism, and realize tools like AI are being used in ways that are harmful to society and hard to see coming if all you think about is generating increasingly realistic-looking videos.

The volume of cheating, embellishment, and massive shotgun spray-n-pray imposed by shrewd brokers/job-seekers on hiring teams at nearly every company is overwhelming. Things are moving so fast in the industry that everyone's having a hard time understanding what the other wants to see and hear. And recruiters have so little time to study resumes because of the sheer volume that they are relying on crude heuristics, mainly buzzword lookups, that only seem to benefit the well-established (i.e., those most likely already to have jobs!).

Re: Discussion: Job seekers can't find a job and Employers can't find an employees

#18

Tinder for jobs. Swipe to interview.

This is obviously a joke, but I wonder if there's something to it. A recommendation engine to surface interesting jobs to a candidate, and quality candidates to an employer. It seems like recruiters/sourcers are inefficient at doing it. The trouble is getting critical mass.

Re: Discussion: Job seekers can't find a job and Employers can't find an employees

#19

From jobseeker point : We need better interview process. I don’t understand leetcode style of interviews when we have ChatGPT to generate code. Even OpenAI has tough coding rounds.

Friend of mine interviewed there. Left the coding part of the interview with the strong impression that they were using him to train some kind of code LLM.

Re: Discussion: Job seekers can't find a job and Employers can't find an employees

#20

From jobseeker point : We need better interview process. I don’t understand leetcode style of interviews when we have ChatGPT to generate code. Even OpenAI has tough coding rounds.

I always understood it was to filter out dudes who’d succeed at it: people who have a lot of spare time who would use that spare time to grind really hard for some arbitrary coding test. As an employer, I’d look at that dude and think: this dude could defo do overtime and he likes coding! We’ll take him. But that’s my two cents.
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