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Dell leak details next-gen Windows on Arm chips

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Re: Dell leak details next-gen Windows on Arm chips

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Post by pbmonster »

bingbingbing777 wrote: post #8
Dalewyn wrote: post #4

>Dell is planning to refresh its XPS 13 Plus from 2022, with a touch bar on the top row of the keyboard and only two USB-C ports for I/O. If I wanted a Macbook I would get a Macbook instead of some frankenstein knockoff that can't run neither Win32 nor Mac.

Mac and Win32 aren't operating systems.

Of course not, they are APIs. And this Arm-based Dell will not be able to run many binaries compiled for 64 bit Windows or any for Mac. 32 bit Windows Apps will mostly work.

Which might be pretty limiting, depending on what kind of software you run.

Re: Dell leak details next-gen Windows on Arm chips

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Post by dannyw »

cjk2 wrote: post #7

Oh Dell, Windows and Qualcomm. I’d rather cut my hands off and shove the bloody stumps in a bag of salt. Have had nothing but trouble with all of them over the years.

YMMV. I have always had extremely pleasant, hassle-free, and fast support and warranty from Dell. It's not that their monitors or laptops fail more often, I've just been buying them for a decade.

Re: Dell leak details next-gen Windows on Arm chips

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Post by ch_123 »

pbmonster wrote: post #11
bingbingbing777 wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Mac and Win32 aren't operating systems.

Of course not, they are APIs. And this Arm-based Dell will not be able to run many binaries compiled for 64 bit Windows or any for Mac. 32 bit Windows Apps will mostly work. Which might be pretty limiting, depending on what kind of software you run.

Windows for ARM has inbuilt x86 emulation. Having experimented with it in a VM on my Mac, I found it worked quite well in terms of both reliability and performance. Granted, I was running smaller Win32 applications - for large and/or performance sensitive applications, I imagine I might have run into issues.

Re: Dell leak details next-gen Windows on Arm chips

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Post by pquki4 »

askonomm wrote: post #3
daghamm wrote: post #2

Modem standby 0.3W?? I don't think CPU change alone will make these devices super-efficient. And why is web browsing such a battery sink? Are they using an old version of edge? Is it full of random extensions?? By the way, 15 minutes into a thread about CPUs and discussion has not yet been hijacked by the fans of "that other company". Maybe HN is improving?

What are some good long battery life Windows laptops currently on market? I wouldn't need 20 hours (like macbooks have), but I'd like to get an entire work day without charging and my current experience with Windows laptops is that they last maybe 3-4 hours. Though I've also only owned mid-tier devices, so maybe that is only exclusive to top tier, not sure.

Most of the official battery life numbers you see from manufacturers are like 18 hours when the reality is less than 8 hours which is just meaningless. The numbers from reviewers using benchmarks like "modern office" might not be applicable to you, but should be relatively accurate. I would advise checking some reviews and reddit posts to see what people say.

Also note that this heavily depends on the CPU and screen configuration (LED or OLED).

One data point here: My laptop with an AMD 7840U with FHD+ IPS screen could last 9 hours in my own testing, that's without video calls or heavy multitasking. It's a ThinkPad but there are a few on the market with the same APU. A similar test on an Asus laptop with i5-1240p high-res OLED would yield 5 hours using the same method.

I know, it's annoying that there is no easy way to get a somewhat realistic estimate of the battery life on Windows laptops, while official Macbook battery life in the specs is reasonable and often accurate. Generally, you would want to get a low voltage CPU and avoid OLED screens if you want good battery life.

Re: Dell leak details next-gen Windows on Arm chips

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Post by trueismywork »

dannyw wrote: post #12
cjk2 wrote: post #7

Oh Dell, Windows and Qualcomm. I’d rather cut my hands off and shove the bloody stumps in a bag of salt. Have had nothing but trouble with all of them over the years.

YMMV. I have always had extremely pleasant, hassle-free, and fast support and warranty from Dell. It's not that their monitors or laptops fail more often, I've just been buying them for a decade.

Same here. Amazing service.

Re: Dell leak details next-gen Windows on Arm chips

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Post by tobinfekkes »

askonomm wrote: post #3
daghamm wrote: post #2

Modem standby 0.3W?? I don't think CPU change alone will make these devices super-efficient. And why is web browsing such a battery sink? Are they using an old version of edge? Is it full of random extensions?? By the way, 15 minutes into a thread about CPUs and discussion has not yet been hijacked by the fans of "that other company". Maybe HN is improving?

What are some good long battery life Windows laptops currently on market? I wouldn't need 20 hours (like macbooks have), but I'd like to get an entire work day without charging and my current experience with Windows laptops is that they last maybe 3-4 hours. Though I've also only owned mid-tier devices, so maybe that is only exclusive to top tier, not sure.

LG Gram

Re: Dell leak details next-gen Windows on Arm chips

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Post by pmx »

LM358 wrote: post #5
Dalewyn wrote: post #4

>Dell is planning to refresh its XPS 13 Plus from 2022, with a touch bar on the top row of the keyboard and only two USB-C ports for I/O. If I wanted a Macbook I would get a Macbook instead of some frankenstein knockoff that can't run neither Win32 nor Mac.

Yeah I find this very strange as well. Isn't this more or less exactly what Apple did 6-7 years ago which was almost universally hated?

I wonder if maybe they have implemented the touch bar in a much more useful way? The mac one was pointless and only served to reduce utility but with the right software it could have been fantastic. Some 3rd party software hacks even gave it haptic feedback (by activating the trackpads haptics) and that alone made it a million times better. Interested to see what Dell have done with it.
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