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Mindfulness interventions for teens decrease mindfulness, study finds

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Re: Mindfulness interventions for teens decrease mindfulness, study finds

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Color me shocked that trying to teach a teenager not to think about themselves so much is going to fail.

Mindfulness only works when you put the effort in to seek the equanimity it provides.

I think it's hard for kids to make being calm and composed a virtue. You kind of have to get there as a consequence of experiencing a lot of chaos.

I think 2 hours of sport before all school would do more for most kids. Even if it was just a 2 hour walk outdoors.

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Religious studies fails to make kids more religious. Abstinence programs taught in schools fail to increase celibacy. Health programs fail to dent mcdonalds market share. Arithmetic fails to stop people taking on unnecessary and punitive debt. The point being pushing things (good, bad or ugly) in schools often doesn't work out as hoped. Schooling is not a solved problem but it is a very crude tool used badly and ofte…

Sounds like we need to throw some startups at it /s

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I find this continues to be true in my adulthood. With the blessing of remote work (or failing that, an office culture that doesn't mind), I'm very happy to take a midday walk and enjoy the outdoors. I'm very certain that if I had compatriots with me now like I did during school recess that we'd definitely find some sticks and swordfight with them, or climb rocks and trees, age be damned.

I've never seen an office culture that minded people taking a walk (unless the team was in war room or something). A lot of workers go out to buy lunch anyway. For hourly production workers that have to clock in/out and may only get a fixed 30 lunch break then it is more difficult.

The problem is no sword fights or basketball courts :/ it also feels strange to randomly do something like a few pushups at the office whereas at home I do it all the time.

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Religious studies fails to make kids more religious. Abstinence programs taught in schools fail to increase celibacy. Health programs fail to dent mcdonalds market share. Arithmetic fails to stop people taking on unnecessary and punitive debt. The point being pushing things (good, bad or ugly) in schools often doesn't work out as hoped. Schooling is not a solved problem but it is a very crude tool used badly and ofte…

Sounds like we need to throw some startups at it /s

We should. why /s?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sounds like we need to throw some startups at it /s

We should. why /s?

I can't give a definitive answer since I'm not the parent poster, however, it makes sense to me: There are various areas in which "disruptors" have promised that their outsider approach would somehow revolutionize the status quo into something better, and either they flopped or it became arguably worse in the long run.

A simple example might be how Theranos was going to innovate past stodgy medical companies and provide wonderful new diagnostics to drive down healthcare costs, etc.

Or how certain rideshare companies, once they achieved various local -opoly statuses--in ways not entirely aboveboard--are somehow back to a worse value-proposition than the system they displaced.

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Religious studies fails to make kids more religious. Abstinence programs taught in schools fail to increase celibacy. Health programs fail to dent mcdonalds market share. Arithmetic fails to stop people taking on unnecessary and punitive debt. The point being pushing things (good, bad or ugly) in schools often doesn't work out as hoped. Schooling is not a solved problem but it is a very crude tool used badly and ofte…

> Religious studies fails to make kids more religious

You can definitely make kids believe in religion. There's a reason entire societies in the past held the same religious views.

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Religious studies fails to make kids more religious. Abstinence programs taught in schools fail to increase celibacy. Health programs fail to dent mcdonalds market share. Arithmetic fails to stop people taking on unnecessary and punitive debt. The point being pushing things (good, bad or ugly) in schools often doesn't work out as hoped. Schooling is not a solved problem but it is a very crude tool used badly and ofte…

The analysis they reanalyzed did see useful results from the interventions. In the new analysis, they found that if the separated by age, the older children got less benefit.

What are the odds that repetition of a basic curriculum by a lightly trained teacher has less impact over time?

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> students have learned mindfulness techniques like breath awareness, thought observation, and emotional monitoring as part of their regular curriculum Children are full of energy - they need to be let loose and run around. It’s like trying to teach peaceful and quite a 6 months old dog - you can’t. You need to let them burn all that energy.

The second meta-analysis specifically separated older kids from younger kids and found that the intervention had less impact on the older kids.

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> students have learned mindfulness techniques like breath awareness, thought observation, and emotional monitoring as part of their regular curriculum Children are full of energy - they need to be let loose and run around. It’s like trying to teach peaceful and quite a 6 months old dog - you can’t. You need to let them burn all that energy.

“Children” is likely the wrong word here. As humans develop, they change incredibly fast. The needs of a 6 year old are surprisingly different from those of an 8 year old.

This study focuses on 14 year olds (on average). This is way past the age of “needing to burn energy like a dog”. Sure, they have more energy than adults, but you’re still likely describing much younger humans.

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My belief is that societal and technological sophistication is overall extremely stressful for organisms that were prepared for a very different life by evolution. Our neurosis is a byproduct of our success and of the highly complex and competitive nature of our social interactions. Touching grass, spending time with animals, learning to accept and appreciate our animal roots, is what can balance the stress.

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Your knee-jerk reaction is perhaps emphasizing OP's point. OP obviously is referring to the spirit of being more in tune with our natural roots and not prescribing "Get a dog, visit a man-made park" as a strict prescription as you seem to be interpreting it.
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