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Bernie Sanders calls for income over $1B to be taxed at 100%

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I don’t see how that’s practical when places like Monaco exist and are happy to welcome people who really don’t like paying taxes. It would have to be a worldwide effort.

> I don’t see how that’s practical

It's not and its probably not intended to be; its staking an extreme position to spur and frame discussion.

Re: Bernie Sanders calls for income over $1B to be taxed at 100%

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I don’t see how that’s practical when places like Monaco exist and are happy to welcome people who really don’t like paying taxes. It would have to be a worldwide effort.

US taxpayers must pay tax on global income. If we want to explore a wealth tax, securities ownership and transactions take place within the US jurisdiction. Your brokerage or the clearinghouse can send another form to the IRS for public equity, Carta or whomever manages the cap table can do so for private equity. Unless you're only going to hold investment assets in Monaco while trying to relinquish US citizenship an…

This is why trust funds exist.

Re: Bernie Sanders calls for income over $1B to be taxed at 100%

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

US taxpayers must pay tax on global income. If we want to explore a wealth tax, securities ownership and transactions take place within the US jurisdiction. Your brokerage or the clearinghouse can send another form to the IRS for public equity, Carta or whomever manages the cap table can do so for private equity. Unless you're only going to hold investment assets in Monaco while trying to relinquish US citizenship an…

This is why trust funds exist.

Again, it’s just a construct in a system. The rules can be changed at by time, and a piece of paper isn’t going to matter to a nation state political system.

I have a trust (several, actually), and I still know better that it is permitted to exist in its current incarnation, not a perpetual, immutable right or iron clad guarantee.

Re: Bernie Sanders calls for income over $1B to be taxed at 100%

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Or maybe the government could take a serious look at how insane their spending is and do something about it. And Bernie is an idiot who thinks more money in government hands will solve problems. Social security and medicare are in trouble. Billions of COVID money went unaccounted for. The Department of Defense routinely loses track of billions in spending and the State Department is a hot mess of spending without accountability.

Re: Bernie Sanders calls for income over $1B to be taxed at 100%

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post #6

I don’t see how that’s practical when places like Monaco exist and are happy to welcome people who really don’t like paying taxes. It would have to be a worldwide effort.

US taxpayers must pay tax on global income. If we want to explore a wealth tax, securities ownership and transactions take place within the US jurisdiction. Your brokerage or the clearinghouse can send another form to the IRS for public equity, Carta or whomever manages the cap table can do so for private equity. Unless you're only going to hold investment assets in Monaco while trying to relinquish US citizenship an…

Why relinquish citizenship, instead of e.g., keeping the assets in a holding company somewhere?

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Im expecting someone here will argue that would remove the incentive to work hard.

Someone else in the thread suggested that it was just a start. So the question you're looking for is: "Will that be extended to cover me?" What kinds of people would start asking themselves that question?

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post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

US taxpayers must pay tax on global income. If we want to explore a wealth tax, securities ownership and transactions take place within the US jurisdiction. Your brokerage or the clearinghouse can send another form to the IRS for public equity, Carta or whomever manages the cap table can do so for private equity. Unless you're only going to hold investment assets in Monaco while trying to relinquish US citizenship an…

Why relinquish citizenship, instead of e.g., keeping the assets in a holding company somewhere?

Because that holding company could still be found and taxed?

Re: Bernie Sanders calls for income over $1B to be taxed at 100%

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is why trust funds exist.

Again, it’s just a construct in a system. The rules can be changed at by time, and a piece of paper isn’t going to matter to a nation state political system. I have a trust (several, actually), and I still know better that it is permitted to exist in its current incarnation, not a perpetual, immutable right or iron clad guarantee.

Yes, sure - but Monaco, Luxembourg, Switzerland, Liechtenstein etc is definitely not going to adopt the rules just because US did.

They will do the exact opposite - triple down, take this new enormous opportunity and develop hundreds of new ways to offer US people safe haven for their assets. Thousands upon thousands of new startup consultancies charging just few % fees will be founded and every wealthy person in the US will have to turn off their phones and stop checking the inbox because of all that cold calling and emailing these people will do.

Re: Bernie Sanders calls for income over $1B to be taxed at 100%

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Again, it’s just a construct in a system. The rules can be changed at by time, and a piece of paper isn’t going to matter to a nation state political system. I have a trust (several, actually), and I still know better that it is permitted to exist in its current incarnation, not a perpetual, immutable right or iron clad guarantee.

Yes, sure - but Monaco, Luxembourg, Switzerland, Liechtenstein etc is definitely not going to adopt the rules just because US did. They will do the exact opposite - triple down, take this new enormous opportunity and develop hundreds of new ways to offer US people safe haven for their assets. Thousands upon thousands of new startup consultancies charging just few % fees will be founded and every wealthy person in the…

Switzerland conceded to US FATCA reporting. Whomever has the most force wins. I don’t blame you if you’re wealthy and you take a calculated risk strategy (can’t take the monkey brain out of the human), just don’t cry when you fail at evasion.

Major corporations can’t withstand minor ransomware operators. What makes you think these jurisdictions can withstand superpower nation state efforts?

TLDR good luck, have fun.

Re: Bernie Sanders calls for income over $1B to be taxed at 100%

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, sure - but Monaco, Luxembourg, Switzerland, Liechtenstein etc is definitely not going to adopt the rules just because US did. They will do the exact opposite - triple down, take this new enormous opportunity and develop hundreds of new ways to offer US people safe haven for their assets. Thousands upon thousands of new startup consultancies charging just few % fees will be founded and every wealthy person in the…

Switzerland conceded to US FATCA reporting. Whomever has the most force wins. I don’t blame you if you’re wealthy and you take a calculated risk strategy (can’t take the monkey brain out of the human), just don’t cry when you fail at evasion. Major corporations can’t withstand minor ransomware operators. What makes you think these jurisdictions can withstand superpower nation state efforts? TLDR good luck, have fun.

Reporting is nice but doesn't change anything about the problem. OK so the US knows you are a beneficiary of a trust fund in Switzerland - what can they do about it? It's not you, so they can't tax the wealth. They can tax the income you get from that, but that means the wealth tax mission has failed.
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