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I before E except after C, except …
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Re: I before E except after C, except …
#12I remember from a junior high textbook (probably eighth grade) the expanded version I before E except after C And when sounded as A, as in "neighbor" and "weigh" That leave some weird exceptions...
My memory of the rule in 90s Australia schooling was
I before E,
except after C
When the sound is eee*
*[as in pee]
Though 'seizure' among others breaks this rule, lol
Re: I before E except after C, except …
#13"I before E except for ~3000 words, many of which are common"
Re: I before E except after C, except …
#14English is fun like that. Rules everywhere invented for the fun of being broken.
French has entered the chat...
We have "eaux" (waters) which sounds like a plain "o". A 4:1 ratio without even the proper letter inside.
We have rules for plurals that split the words 50/50 in the ones that follow the rule and the exceptions.
I always felt that out language books are a few pages rules and then exceptions. The traditional book for conjugation (verbs and their tenses) has one other for regular verbs (the ones you do not use that much), two or three for "less regular ones" and then it is mayhem. Multiplied by 22 tenses.
Re: I before E except after C, except …
#15I dislike that people interpret this adage being violated as an example of English's inconsistency. The clearer conclusion is that it just isn't true. I could say "every word in English starts with ß" and then point out that every single word violates this rule. What a crazy language! But that would be silly. Not because English is crazy, but because that obviously isn't true.
The ability to describe a language with useful and concise rules make a language easier to understand and learn. I think this serves as a perfectly reasonable metric for how "crazy" or consistent a natural language is. What other definition of consistency would matter to anyone?
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#16English has what linguists call deep orthography: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orthographic_depth. It has to do with the conservative nature of English spelling. English would rather maintain the same spelling for a word than have it accurately reflect the pronunciation. This makes English much harder to learn than languages with shallow orthography.
This is another reason why Esperanto remains a better international language than English. In Esperanto, each letter has exactly one sound, and there are no exceptions.