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Microsoft confirms Windows 11 24H2 turns on Device Encryption by default

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Re: Microsoft confirms Windows 11 24H2 turns on Device Encryption by default

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Definitely save those recovery keys, because BitLocker loves freaking out after BIOS updates or minor hardware changes. I think I had to enter mine after a GPU firmware update.

I guess it's because measured boot doesn't like the new system state? But then I wonder: Whose responsibility is it to tell the TPM that the system has been legitimately changed? (Or am I completely off track here?)

Re: Microsoft confirms Windows 11 24H2 turns on Device Encryption by default

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So whose computer is it at this point? MS encrypts your data, but keeps the recovery key. Let's say you encrypt the drive, and then travel outside the country and come back. The border patrol officer says "I want to see everything on your hard drive" and you refuse, being an American citizen and all. They call Microsoft and recover all the data...

I mean if you’re that worried about ms having your keys, you can always encrypt with a local account and save the key somewhere else. But also if you’re that worried about v someone having access to your data, why are you using a non open source OS anyways?

Re: Microsoft confirms Windows 11 24H2 turns on Device Encryption by default

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I mean between bitlocker and T2 I’d rather have T2. At least with bitlocker the key is in my Microsoft account so if something happened to my pc and the drive was still intact I can easily access the data again. On a T2 secured Mac, if something happened then I’m screwed.

Re: Microsoft confirms Windows 11 24H2 turns on Device Encryption by default

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I mean, good? Physical access to a device shouldn’t automatically mean all your data is with the wind. Theoretically this was already on for “new” devices since sometime in the Windows 10 timeframe.

Disk encryption is useful if your data falls into the wrong hands. Having an unencrypted disk is useful if you need to do data recovery and have no backups.

Very few people have backups... OTOH, SSDs tend to fail as bricks with no hope of any data recovery.

Re: Microsoft confirms Windows 11 24H2 turns on Device Encryption by default

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This could lead to more data being lost than from ransomware.

The best part is Windows doesn't even notify you about it. It will show you numerous useless notifications and now even ads, but it won't notify you that it has encrypted all your data. As that would be too "intrusive".

I already know of one case where all data was lost. Somehow recovery key was not stored in Microsoft account.

Re: Microsoft confirms Windows 11 24H2 turns on Device Encryption by default

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Great to see that it's no longer a pro only / enterprise feature. I've long left Windows behind for Linux (with very few regrets) but the paywalled FDE was definitely a motivating factor at the time - it felt like a table stakes feature for a modern OS to me.

If they started offering reasonable ways to opt out of all telemetry and advertising (ie: without buying enterprise/using third party software and crossing your fingers) I could almost be tempted to dual boot for the games/software that don't run well in wine/proton.

I wouldn't be particularly opposed to paying for the privilege either, but don't make me buy X copies to be eligible.

Re: Microsoft confirms Windows 11 24H2 turns on Device Encryption by default

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This could lead to more data being lost than from ransomware. The best part is Windows doesn't even notify you about it. It will show you numerous useless notifications and now even ads, but it won't notify you that it has encrypted all your data. As that would be too "intrusive". I already know of one case where all data was lost. Somehow recovery key was not stored in Microsoft account.

Maybe not surprisingly, I've had a couple of tech-literate friends where they thought they were the only ones with a recovery key but it turned out (luckily, here) that MS had a copy after all.

Re: Microsoft confirms Windows 11 24H2 turns on Device Encryption by default

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post #11
post #2

Definitely save those recovery keys, because BitLocker loves freaking out after BIOS updates or minor hardware changes. I think I had to enter mine after a GPU firmware update.

I guess it's because measured boot doesn't like the new system state? But then I wonder: Whose responsibility is it to tell the TPM that the system has been legitimately changed? (Or am I completely off track here?)

The current approach (as I understand it) for Windows is to turn off measured boot for bitlocker, do the update that's likely to cause the issue, and then turn it back on again after the update has completed.

Hence you'll often notice UEFI updaters turning off bitlocker.

I've seen HP devices tell you what the value of PCR0 will be for each given update, meaning you can know beforehand what that will be, and prepare by locking measured boot to that value before rebooting.

In Linux with systemd-measure, there's an option to lock to a signed manifest for PCR11, so you can have updated kernels (UKIs, for example), able to boot, while still locking the measured boot to the kernel image, initrd, cmdline, and public key used to sign the values. At that point, your OS distribution (or yourself) can take control of that process. It doesn't help for firmware updates though, as far as I know, unless you can prepare and ship an updated PCR policy, and your OS distribution is unlikely to be tightly integrated with your hardware vendor to do that, so it will likely fall onto the user, or to unlock the disk while doing those updates.

Re: Microsoft confirms Windows 11 24H2 turns on Device Encryption by default

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think they're saved to your Microsoft account by default now. And, since Microsoft likes to pretend an account is required to even install Windows now, most people will likely have a linked account.

I think it will lead to lots of lost data. Kind of like how your kid's old ipad loses its mind and your apple id password doesn't work and the data is lost. This kind of thing should be super-explicit when setting things up, and they should provide a way out.

No. That doesn’t help anyone other than computer nerds that have the background understanding to have usefully thought through the pros and cons. The reality is data is effectively “lost” all the time already when a laptop’s display fails, or some other problem that’s left the actual data completely in tact, because most people don’t know what to do about that and a sizeable portion of those people won’t bother to ‘take it in to the shop’.

Re: Microsoft confirms Windows 11 24H2 turns on Device Encryption by default

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Am I understanding the article correctly that it's for new installs only?

Also is "on by default" the right wording for something that needs a registry change to turn off? That just seems like it's forced with a workaround that they'll remove at some point.

Last point, does that mean that windows is going to take a massive speed penalty going forward since they also default to their slow software encryption over hardware encryption?

Man this kinda blows. I'm hoping that W12 will have all this Vista-esk transition crap sorted out by the time it launches.

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