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Familial Transmission of Personality Is Higher Than Shown in Typical Studies

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Re: Familial Transmission of Personality Is Higher Than Shown in Typical Studies

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Of course this is anecdotal but it's obvious for me I do share several personality traits with my parents. I can see the same in many of my close acquaintances. Of course this warrants a lot of social issues we simply don't want to face, but I always felt we were just trying to make them a tabu to discuss.

Is it nature vs nurture? If, so, how does your anecdote untangle that?

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The big difference seems to come from self-reporting vs independent reporting. In other words, people around you think your personality is more similar to your dad’s than you think it is.

As I grow older, the number of "oh shit, I sound like my dad" moments grows exponentially. Good thing people seem to like him - if he was a gigantic ass, I'd be in trouble. ;)

Re: Familial Transmission of Personality Is Higher Than Shown in Typical Studies

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post #9

Of course this is anecdotal but it's obvious for me I do share several personality traits with my parents. I can see the same in many of my close acquaintances. Of course this warrants a lot of social issues we simply don't want to face, but I always felt we were just trying to make them a tabu to discuss.

Is it nature vs nurture? If, so, how does your anecdote untangle that?

I think the taboo the poster was referring to was more along the lines of discussion of actual free will, level of control of self, etc.

My take is that free will is, 90% of the time, a necessary lie. Because if we didn’t believe it, everything would get far far worse.

Re: Familial Transmission of Personality Is Higher Than Shown in Typical Studies

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I read this years ago in NurtureShock. Studies of adopted kids showed they still shared more personality traits with biological parents than adoptive ones. In fact they measured the two biggest factors as genetics and peer relationships with parenting being marginal. If you casually observe good parents with good kids or vice versa that's mostly genetic. Of course there's also a big distinction between personality and behavior. Parenting can certainly influence behavior regardless of personality.

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post #9

Of course this is anecdotal but it's obvious for me I do share several personality traits with my parents. I can see the same in many of my close acquaintances. Of course this warrants a lot of social issues we simply don't want to face, but I always felt we were just trying to make them a tabu to discuss.

Is it nature vs nurture? If, so, how does your anecdote untangle that?

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Re: Familial Transmission of Personality Is Higher Than Shown in Typical Studies

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It seems that this is a taboo topic to discuss oftentimes (especially academically), despite the fact that most people I meet seem to have an intuitive understanding that kids are often like parents.

It also provides compelling alternate explanations for things like 'children of abusive parents are more likely to abuse' that you also are not really allowed to discuss nowadays.

Re: Familial Transmission of Personality Is Higher Than Shown in Typical Studies

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For those who arent aware, this entire field is largely pseudoscience; though this paper goes out of its way to be fairly sincere in its modelling, it's still just nonesense methodologically.

The correlation coefficient is not a measure of correlation, but of co-linearity, and coefficients the entire system of computing correlation coefficients is bunk if the data is nonlinear. Almost all interesting phenomena outside are non-linear, esp. biology and higher, where nonlinearities arise from the mutual interaction of parts of the system. Here, the correlation coefficients are in the ~0.2 range. You might as well be staring at monkey entrials.

Methodologically, you cannot construct explanatory models of weak-effect non-linear phenomena from observational data. Basically, you can fit any explanatory model you like, since you can make any parts of the system interact with any strength, and since they are non-linear, this will reproduce any distribution you so wish.

You can entirely reproduce any heritability distribution, genetic covariance, "shared" parent-child, "unshared" child-child, etc. you want by changing this model. Observational data here is basically useless at discriminating. ie., i can make a model where genes are 100% irrelevant, or 100% determinative, entirely consistent with the observational data.

The only method which can distinguish here is interventional, ie., you have to actually control the causes of the system. However, since we cannot breed different groups with different genes; nor take the same person and run their life with differnet parents, friends, etc. you're basically out of luck.

I'd prefer we closed this whole field down, and any person mentioning "heritability" outside of a wheat breeding lab, shuffled off to some discipline less catastrophically detrimental to social policy.

Re: Familial Transmission of Personality Is Higher Than Shown in Typical Studies

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post #9

Of course this is anecdotal but it's obvious for me I do share several personality traits with my parents. I can see the same in many of my close acquaintances. Of course this warrants a lot of social issues we simply don't want to face, but I always felt we were just trying to make them a tabu to discuss.

Is it nature vs nurture? If, so, how does your anecdote untangle that?

It's both. Attempting to reduce the complexity to just one or the other is a grave error.

Here is a good starting point for getting educated on the matter: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NNnIGh9g6fA&list=PL848F2368C...

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