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European Accelerationism

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Re: European Accelerationism

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"This is a quote by Ludwig von Mises, but really it could have been said by any mainstream economist" Lol at this. Current European Academia and Establishment literally consider L. v. Mises far-right. The good thing is that Europeans are gradually waking up and in 5-10 years time something radical enough is guaranteed to happen.

This is a bad comment. You can just check Wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ludwig_von_Mises#Comments_abou...

Re: European Accelerationism

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post #10

Europe was rich because its nations were high trust societies. They were ethnic monocultures with social cohesion, shared history, religion, and culturally aligned, peaceful, productive populations.

" They were ethnic monocultures with social cohesion, shared history, religion, and culturally aligned, peaceful, productive populations. " I like to hear, when this was the case for Germany, Italy, France, Spain, UK or Poland but I dont know any timespan when this was the case.

Are you claiming that the ethnic composition of every country you listed hasn't changed dramatically over the last 25 years due to mass immigration from African and Middle Eastern countries?

Re: European Accelerationism

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Europe was rich because its nations were high trust societies. They were ethnic monocultures with social cohesion, shared history, religion, and culturally aligned, peaceful, productive populations.

Maybe in your dreams. Few counter points:

- Austria-Hungaria was a multi ethnic, multi religious, multinational entity

- Similar Holy Roman Empire before

- House of Habsburgs at some point ruled parts of middle Europe, some Netherlands and Spain

- Spain is a multi-national state till today, with strong tensions

- Germany was for a long time only a loose group of small countries

- Denmark ruling other Scandinavian countries

- Religious wars devastated Europe for centuries

- Social cohesion? Ever heard of French Revolution and hundred other uprisings?

- Even though British Isles were not invaded after 1066 they had their fair share of infighting. Ask around Northern Ireland about peaceful religious unity

Ethnostates are very recent occurrence and even then it's not 100%. The shared history is a history of non-stop wars. Europe was rich for all other reasons. Some noble (preserving Greco-Roman legacy, enlightenment, birth of democratic ideas etc), some external (mild climate, resources), some not so noble (exploiting colonies).

Re: European Accelerationism

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post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

" They were ethnic monocultures with social cohesion, shared history, religion, and culturally aligned, peaceful, productive populations. " I like to hear, when this was the case for Germany, Italy, France, Spain, UK or Poland but I dont know any timespan when this was the case.

Are you claiming that the ethnic composition of every country you listed hasn't changed dramatically over the last 25 years due to mass immigration from African and Middle Eastern countries?

They’ve all changed massively in other ways during the nineteenth and twentieth centuries too as linguistic and cultural diversity began to significantly dwindle under “modern nation-state” style cultural policies, try finding young Oc speakers in the southern half of France these days, followed by the collapse of multinational states (mainly the Habsburg state of course) followed by brutal ethnic cleaning and genocide that’s still going on in old pockets of that ex-empire today.

These places have experienced continuous and significantly rapid linguistic and cultural change for centuries now. If anything high levels of literacy and experience of integrating minorities by force over the last centuries might be making this latest set of changes fairly gentle and manageable…

Re: European Accelerationism

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post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

" They were ethnic monocultures with social cohesion, shared history, religion, and culturally aligned, peaceful, productive populations. " I like to hear, when this was the case for Germany, Italy, France, Spain, UK or Poland but I dont know any timespan when this was the case.

Are you claiming that the ethnic composition of every country you listed hasn't changed dramatically over the last 25 years due to mass immigration from African and Middle Eastern countries?

I haven't deny your statement. Can you read my statement again? Where are you from?

Re: European Accelerationism

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Europe was rich because its nations were high trust societies. They were ethnic monocultures with social cohesion, shared history, religion, and culturally aligned, peaceful, productive populations.

Maybe in your dreams. Few counter points: - Austria-Hungaria was a multi ethnic, multi religious, multinational entity - Similar Holy Roman Empire before - House of Habsburgs at some point ruled parts of middle Europe, some Netherlands and Spain - Spain is a multi-national state till today, with strong tensions - Germany was for a long time only a loose group of small countries - Denmark ruling other Scandinavian cou…

Wow, that's an impressive number of goal post moves in a single post. I'm talking about the last 25 years, or at least post industrial revolution.

If you want to debate this in a neutral place, I'm happy to do so, but this isn't exactly a level playing field here on hacker news.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AoWibRxD_pY

Re: European Accelerationism

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe in your dreams. Few counter points: - Austria-Hungaria was a multi ethnic, multi religious, multinational entity - Similar Holy Roman Empire before - House of Habsburgs at some point ruled parts of middle Europe, some Netherlands and Spain - Spain is a multi-national state till today, with strong tensions - Germany was for a long time only a loose group of small countries - Denmark ruling other Scandinavian cou…

Wow, that's an impressive number of goal post moves in a single post. I'm talking about the last 25 years, or at least post industrial revolution. If you want to debate this in a neutral place, I'm happy to do so, but this isn't exactly a level playing field here on hacker news. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AoWibRxD_pY

Ignoring hundreds years of history is moving goalposts. Greetings from a country that almost overnight gained 5% of population from Ukraine (very welcomed by me).

Ethnic tensions brought some of Europe's worst atrocities, not prosperity. Even in last 25 years, the Balkans are still sore.

Post Industrial Revolution we had two world wars and many revolutions. Does your neutral debating place look like Europe's history?

Re: European Accelerationism

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post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you claiming that the ethnic composition of every country you listed hasn't changed dramatically over the last 25 years due to mass immigration from African and Middle Eastern countries?

They’ve all changed massively in other ways during the nineteenth and twentieth centuries too as linguistic and cultural diversity began to significantly dwindle under “modern nation-state” style cultural policies, try finding young Oc speakers in the southern half of France these days, followed by the collapse of multinational states (mainly the Habsburg state of course) followed by brutal ethnic cleaning and genoci…

I think you guys might be talking past each other. Obviously everyone agrees that many Europeans have coexisted within the same political structures for many generations. The difference between historical diversity and the woke kind is that people from other continents, with very non-European cultures and ethnic mindsets, are coming to Europe. Obviously those are two very different kinds of diversity.

Re: European Accelerationism

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe in your dreams. Few counter points: - Austria-Hungaria was a multi ethnic, multi religious, multinational entity - Similar Holy Roman Empire before - House of Habsburgs at some point ruled parts of middle Europe, some Netherlands and Spain - Spain is a multi-national state till today, with strong tensions - Germany was for a long time only a loose group of small countries - Denmark ruling other Scandinavian cou…

Wow, that's an impressive number of goal post moves in a single post. I'm talking about the last 25 years, or at least post industrial revolution. If you want to debate this in a neutral place, I'm happy to do so, but this isn't exactly a level playing field here on hacker news. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AoWibRxD_pY

You're pretty good at moving goalposts yourself. What's particular about the last 25 years?

I was at a conference this week where someone spoke about deploying software in the German administration. I translate one of his sentences: "If the northern states install Jitsi, the southern states are going to install Big Blue Button out of pure principle." (Germany is a federal state composed of 16 states.)

Re: European Accelerationism

#20
Regarding the idea of only taxing corporate distributions (including buybacks?) rather than profits:

There are two types of companies in the United States that are taxed on retained earnings, not profits: bdc and reit.

They can keep 4% of earnings but must distribute everything else otherwise those get taxed.

Since those distributions are sent to people, they are taxed with personal income tax (though they are taxed at a much lower rate than earned income).

What the author missed is that corporate taxes are a great way for legislators to perform graft. The more complex the tax code, the more campaign contributions and other support

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