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Ten years ago Microsoft bought Nokia's phone unit – then killed it

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Re: Ten years ago Microsoft bought Nokia's phone unit – then killed it

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I currently am having a conversation with a company that I have purchased window blinds from, And I cannot find my previous conversation. It may have been Instagram or WhatsApp or email I can’t find any mention of the company beyond certain date.

It’s probably Some other app, but I don’t know what. My understanding is that Windows phone had a universal message search which would mean I’m not in this position.

Re: Ten years ago Microsoft bought Nokia's phone unit – then killed it

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If they open sourced it, it could easily become an actually popular, independent mobile OS to compete with Android/iOS.

No, it could not. Ignoring the technical challenges and impossibilities of open sourcing it (Windows Phone 10 is Windows 10, and the Windows Phone 7/8 codebase was its own crazy beast that was tough enough to work with even when you were being paid to do so), mobile operators do not want you running custom code on their stack, and they are the ultimate gatekeepers of what devices are allowed to connect. There will ne…

You can buy a module that plugs into a Raspberry Pi and interfaces with cell networks. Many years ago someone wrote a phone program for one of these modules and called it the PiPhone.

Re: Ten years ago Microsoft bought Nokia's phone unit – then killed it

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Sigh, now we've stuck in a world of Google or Apple. I recall a world where each phone had itself own OS, or firmware. Every phone was different. I miss my Lumia and my Sony Ericsson k700i and just the simplicity of texting.

Android phones are already like that. Samsung phones will keep pestering you to enable Samsung-specific features and the UI has been rewritten by Samsung.

Re: Ten years ago Microsoft bought Nokia's phone unit – then killed it

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I miss Windows Phone. It was fast, did what I needed, and was easy to use one-handed. The Nokia hardware was good (especially the camera, for the time), except the plastic case & screen collected scratches like crazy. I would have had no problem paying more for a premium metal & glass case for it.

I still have my Lumia 450. It looks as great today as it did 10 years ago. Windows phone is probably the only UI/UX Microsoft got right. Sadly, leave it to Microsoft to ruin a product by pulling the plug.

My friend had a folder of photos of peoples laps they all accidentally took when they first handled the phone.

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To be fair, Kallasvuo did try to build a software environment for Nokia phones. The largely open source Maemo operating system failed to take off This is not fair to say that, Maemo failure again result from bad decision at leadership level, Maemo was never given a chance with standard consumer headsets because Nokia was afraid of hitting their Symbian cash cow at this time...

I worked on that briefly as my first real job. It was totally a side show for Nokia. They (=every layer below the highest) didn't seem to give a fuck about how it goes and quite possibly actively tried to damage the project.

I think this was a massive leadership failure.

It destroyed Finland's economy in a way which it hasn't still properly recovered from. It was made worse by those managers moving to other companies after the crash, bringing their so-called culture with them.

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To be fair, Kallasvuo did try to build a software environment for Nokia phones. The largely open source Maemo operating system failed to take off This is not fair to say that, Maemo failure again result from bad decision at leadership level, Maemo was never given a chance with standard consumer headsets because Nokia was afraid of hitting their Symbian cash cow at this time...

It evolved into https://sailfishos.org/ under a startup of ex-Nokia employees ... who knows what the mobile OS' future would have been if it was actually backed properly by Nokia.

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I miss Windows Phone. It was fast, did what I needed, and was easy to use one-handed. The Nokia hardware was good (especially the camera, for the time), except the plastic case & screen collected scratches like crazy. I would have had no problem paying more for a premium metal & glass case for it.

The WP I had is still the best smartphone I ever owned and used. I've owned both iPhones and Android phones since then and they all pale in comparison even today. It's really too bad how terrible MS was at the whole WP project. Just end-to-end baffling decisions and bad execution.

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No, it could not. Ignoring the technical challenges and impossibilities of open sourcing it (Windows Phone 10 is Windows 10, and the Windows Phone 7/8 codebase was its own crazy beast that was tough enough to work with even when you were being paid to do so), mobile operators do not want you running custom code on their stack, and they are the ultimate gatekeepers of what devices are allowed to connect. There will ne…

> without a complete reworking of cellular service There is a whole world, besides the US. But it doesn't matter because there would be no apps anyway.

Apps already existed, it was around the time no one knew which platform will end up being most popular, so many apps had their Windows Mobile version. Not nearly as many as on Android or iOS, true, but they did exist. Especially in Europe.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

If they open sourced it, it could easily become an actually popular, independent mobile OS to compete with Android/iOS.

No, it could not. Ignoring the technical challenges and impossibilities of open sourcing it (Windows Phone 10 is Windows 10, and the Windows Phone 7/8 codebase was its own crazy beast that was tough enough to work with even when you were being paid to do so), mobile operators do not want you running custom code on their stack, and they are the ultimate gatekeepers of what devices are allowed to connect. There will ne…

So all the alternative Linux open source phones, like Pine, or free (and secure) implementations of Android don’t work in the US?
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