Earlier quoted context omitted.
Why?
Because in practice people don't clean up after themselves, especially in public places.
The majority do clean up, but of course this goes unnoticed.
Freedom to Roam
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Re: Freedom to Roam
#12Earlier quoted context omitted.
Why?
My guess is because OP, like the rest of us Americans, are taught to avoid thinking too deeply about how "freedom" and "property" tend to collide in very uncomfortable ways, but pine for both.
Freedom collides with a lot of other rights. For example you are not free to murder people.
Re: Freedom to Roam
#13We need that freedom. I would also say that we also need education on how to use that freedom, how to not leave a mess behind, how to preserve those places for others.
Many Americans believe they have the freedom to kill trespassers. This seems fundamentally incompatible with that.
Re: Freedom to Roam
#14I like this idea theoretically but I wouldn’t want a random person camping on my 20 acres.
Why?
In my case, I live near the border and such use 'just roaming lmao' would become perfect cover for drug traffickers, gangs, sex trafficking and all kind of bad stuff I don't want to be liable for when people coming stomping on my property. In US your property can even be seized if such persons are using it.
It would also be very expensive for me if someone hurt themselves and then sued me since they are on my property.
Re: Freedom to Roam
#15Earlier quoted context omitted.
Why?
In my case, I live near the border and such use 'just roaming lmao' would become perfect cover for drug traffickers, gangs, sex trafficking and all kind of bad stuff I don't want to be liable for when people coming stomping on my property. In US your property can even be seized if such persons are using it. It would also be very expensive for me if someone hurt themselves and then sued me since they are on my propert…
So if the law were changed to remove said liability, you would support a freedom to roam in the US?
Re: Freedom to Roam
#16Earlier quoted context omitted.
In my case, I live near the border and such use 'just roaming lmao' would become perfect cover for drug traffickers, gangs, sex trafficking and all kind of bad stuff I don't want to be liable for when people coming stomping on my property. In US your property can even be seized if such persons are using it. It would also be very expensive for me if someone hurt themselves and then sued me since they are on my propert…
So if the law were changed to remove said liability, you would support a freedom to roam in the US?
I would compromise if they offer me in trade ability to shoot trespassers/"roamers" who are criminal traffickers.
Re: Freedom to Roam
#17Earlier quoted context omitted.
So if the law were changed to remove said liability, you would support a freedom to roam in the US?
I would compromise if they offer me in trade ability to shoot trespassers/"roamers" who are criminal traffickers.
So you want to be judge, jury, and executioner. Doesn't sound like a compromise to me. In Norway, where I grew up anyone shooting at someone taking advantage of the ability to roam would be rightly subject to a massive manhunt.
Re: Freedom to Roam
#18Earlier quoted context omitted.
I would compromise if they offer me in trade ability to shoot trespassers/"roamers" who are criminal traffickers.
So you want to be judge, jury, and executioner. Doesn't sound like a compromise to me. In Norway, where I grew up anyone shooting at someone taking advantage of the ability to roam would be rightly subject to a massive manhunt.
Your asking for me to relinquish some of my private property rights. Obviously I want something in trade, it's not gonna be unilateral charity so traffickers can be judge jury and executioner against my children who roam my property.
>Norway, where I grew up anyone shooting at someone
In Arizona you can shoot these people with ak47, thankfully and get charges dropped after a deadlocked jury. As recently happened.
I'm pretty happy with Norway doing their Norway thing and Arizona doing how we handle it here. Not interested in making the US Norway.
Re: Freedom to Roam
#19Earlier quoted context omitted.
So if the law were changed to remove said liability, you would support a freedom to roam in the US?
I would compromise if they offer me in trade ability to shoot trespassers/"roamers" who are criminal traffickers.
We’re talking people walking across or camping on your land and in both cases staying away from any residences where people actually live. How would you even know someone is trafficking?
Re: Freedom to Roam
#20Earlier quoted context omitted.
So you want to be judge, jury, and executioner. Doesn't sound like a compromise to me. In Norway, where I grew up anyone shooting at someone taking advantage of the ability to roam would be rightly subject to a massive manhunt.
Your asking for me to relinquish some of my private property rights. Obviously I want something in trade, it's not gonna be unilateral charity so traffickers can be judge jury and executioner against my children who roam my property. >Norway, where I grew up anyone shooting at someone In Arizona you can shoot these people with ak47, thankfully and get charges dropped after a deadlocked jury. As recently happened. I'm…
I’m confused why you think this would put you at increased risk. You are allowed to defend yourself against threats today. Why do you think that would change?
Though you are also speaking as if people camping on your land away from your dwelling are necessarily threatening. If that is something you believe, you might want to reflect and ask yourself why.