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Cats suffer H5N1 brain infections, blindness, death after drinking raw milk

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Re: Cats suffer H5N1 brain infections, blindness, death after drinking raw milk

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Just yesterday, I bought a raw milk, aged cheese. Now I wonder if it is reasonably safe to consume them in light of this development.

I would suggest not. From what I've heard, raw milk, in general, is pretty dangerous. Louis Pasteur won all kinds of awards for doing things like figuring out how to treat milk. Some of the bugs you can get from raw milk are not fun.

Lots of European cheeses are made from raw milk and cases of people getting sick from anything commercially prepared are vanishingly rare, even when the end product looks and smells like death.

Re: Cats suffer H5N1 brain infections, blindness, death after drinking raw milk

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The whole raw milk thing boggles my mind. It’s hardly a secret that it’s dangerous yet people do it anyway

As far as I can tell, it's in the same weird "purity" deal as anti-vax, anti-mask, and various other kinds of orthorexia. As well as being aligned with anti-helmet and anti-seatbelt campaigners: seemingly they want it because it's dangerous. It makes them feel good to reject objective standards of safety and substitute their own specialness. After all, they're the protagonist, they can't die in the middle of the show…

Not sure why this is downvoted. Probably because of the agressive wording, but imo you are right. They just want the pure milk, because it's pure. Not because it's better in any way.

I do wonder every now and then if there is a way to stop this trend. I do believe that most people know that they'd have all the information available to prove themselves wrong. But that's just uncomfortable. Being the one who "knows better" feels better. We need to embrace uncomfortable truths more.

Re: Cats suffer H5N1 brain infections, blindness, death after drinking raw milk

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The whole raw milk thing boggles my mind. It’s hardly a secret that it’s dangerous yet people do it anyway

As far as I can tell, it's in the same weird "purity" deal as anti-vax, anti-mask, and various other kinds of orthorexia. As well as being aligned with anti-helmet and anti-seatbelt campaigners: seemingly they want it because it's dangerous. It makes them feel good to reject objective standards of safety and substitute their own specialness. After all, they're the protagonist, they can't die in the middle of the show…

Raw milk isn't anywhere near as dangerous as the other choices you mention except during a cow pandemic. Still, I agree, the risk/reward seems like it could throw an exception. I would like to controversially throw preservatives in bread into the same category. When we started adding preservatives to bread, the incidence of colon cancer dropped significantly. Bread mold isn't good for you, preservatives have a very long track record of being the less (but probably still) dangerous option.

Re: Cats suffer H5N1 brain infections, blindness, death after drinking raw milk

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The whole raw milk thing boggles my mind. It’s hardly a secret that it’s dangerous yet people do it anyway

People see the risk as small and hear that it is great enough to be worth the risk.

How big the risk actually is or how great it is I can't say. But it's not that dissimilar to regular people eating unhealthy junk food all the time.

Re: Cats suffer H5N1 brain infections, blindness, death after drinking raw milk

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Just yesterday, I bought a raw milk, aged cheese. Now I wonder if it is reasonably safe to consume them in light of this development.

Really depends on where you buy it. Some real cheese maker, or some random crappy industrial brand?

In France we eat cheese made from raw milk all the time, it's almost never a problem, it's so rare that when it does it makes the news and products are recalled.

Re: Cats suffer H5N1 brain infections, blindness, death after drinking raw milk

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would suggest not. From what I've heard, raw milk, in general, is pretty dangerous. Louis Pasteur won all kinds of awards for doing things like figuring out how to treat milk. Some of the bugs you can get from raw milk are not fun.

Lots of European cheeses are made from raw milk and cases of people getting sick from anything commercially prepared are vanishingly rare, even when the end product looks and smells like death.

I suspect most of them are.

I'll bet that the process of becoming cheese treats the bugs.

From what I hear, consuming raw milk is what's dangerous.

Re: Cats suffer H5N1 brain infections, blindness, death after drinking raw milk

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The whole raw milk thing boggles my mind. It’s hardly a secret that it’s dangerous yet people do it anyway

People see the risk as small and hear that it is great enough to be worth the risk. How big the risk actually is or how great it is I can't say. But it's not that dissimilar to regular people eating unhealthy junk food all the time.

Different risks. I'd say you were extremely unlikely to get listeria from McDonalds - the very industrial standardisation that makes it bland also makes it processes out the pathogens. Acute risks vs the long term.

Re: Cats suffer H5N1 brain infections, blindness, death after drinking raw milk

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The whole raw milk thing boggles my mind. It’s hardly a secret that it’s dangerous yet people do it anyway

We (the "West") are too far removed from death and disease being a real, everyday risk so our collective memories forgot why pasteurization is such a good thing

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would suggest not. From what I've heard, raw milk, in general, is pretty dangerous. Louis Pasteur won all kinds of awards for doing things like figuring out how to treat milk. Some of the bugs you can get from raw milk are not fun.

Lots of European cheeses are made from raw milk and cases of people getting sick from anything commercially prepared are vanishingly rare, even when the end product looks and smells like death.

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Re: Cats suffer H5N1 brain infections, blindness, death after drinking raw milk

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Lots of European cheeses are made from raw milk and cases of people getting sick from anything commercially prepared are vanishingly rare, even when the end product looks and smells like death.

I suspect most of them are. I'll bet that the process of becoming cheese treats the bugs. From what I hear, consuming raw milk is what's dangerous.

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