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Apple must open iPadOS to sideloading within 6 months, EU says

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Re: Apple must open iPadOS to sideloading within 6 months, EU says

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Post by thebruce87m »

hehdhdjehehegwv wrote: post #3
Krasnol wrote: post #2

Sounds like it's time again for the litany of fear, uncertainly and doubt or will we, now that the EU has hit so many times, finally hear the other one? The one where Apple came up with the idea by themselves, and they just needed some time to reassure quality?

I’m guessing the EU is just holding it wrong.

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Re: Apple must open iPadOS to sideloading within 6 months, EU says

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Post by Moldoteck »

kvdveer wrote: post #6
kevingadd wrote: post #5

I'm genuinely surprised by this. I figured the differences between tablets and phones, combined with Apple's efforts to distinguish between 'iPadOS' and 'iOS', would be enough to get them a win on this point. If the shared app store is part of the problem I wonder if that makes it a liability for any new apple ecosystem to tie into the App Store, like Vision OS for example.

Why would IpadOS not be held to the same DSA rules as IOS? Apple has applied the same model of gatekeeping (walled garden) to both the iPhone and the iPad. DSA attaches requirements to the gatekeepers if they are big enough. Software similarity and market positioning don't really come into consideration once the role of gatekeeper has been established.

Doesn't this mean that game consoles should be gatekeepers too like from sony/nintendo/microsoft?

Re: Apple must open iPadOS to sideloading within 6 months, EU says

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Post by beretguy »

threeseed wrote: post #7
kvdveer wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why would IpadOS not be held to the same DSA rules as IOS? Apple has applied the same model of gatekeeping (walled garden) to both the iPhone and the iPad. DSA attaches requirements to the gatekeepers if they are big enough. Software similarity and market positioning don't really come into consideration once the role of gatekeeper has been established.

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Why are you defending having less ownership over devices that you own? It’s like your employer wants to give you a salary increase but you complain and say you don’t want more money.

Re: Apple must open iPadOS to sideloading within 6 months, EU says

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Post by lastdong »

threeseed wrote: post #10
codetrotter wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/ip_24_... They had valid reasons for it.

It doesn't change the fact that it's arbitrary at this point. There are no rules that are governing what is or isn't a gatekeeper. It's just whatever EC decides that day.

I believe it follows the Digital Markets Act (DMA), a European Union legislation designed to promote fairness and competition in digital markets. You can find more information here: https://digital-markets-act.ec.europa.eu/index_en

Re: Apple must open iPadOS to sideloading within 6 months, EU says

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Post by frankacter »

thebruce87m wrote: post #11
hehdhdjehehegwv wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’m guessing the EU is just holding it wrong.

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While not word for word, it echoes the sentiment of the "official" response from Apple.

"If you ever experience this on your iPhone 4, avoid gripping it in the lower left corner in a way that covers both sides of the black strip in the metal band"

Re: Apple must open iPadOS to sideloading within 6 months, EU says

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Post by idle_zealot »

threeseed wrote: post #10
codetrotter wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/ip_24_... They had valid reasons for it.

It doesn't change the fact that it's arbitrary at this point. There are no rules that are governing what is or isn't a gatekeeper. It's just whatever EC decides that day.

The EC decides what the rules for defining a gatekeeper are, they invented the designation. You can call that arbitrary if you want, but they set their rules and are sticking to them. Deciding that iPads and iPhones are the same platform seems pretty common-sense to me.

Re: Apple must open iPadOS to sideloading within 6 months, EU says

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Post by thebruce87m »

frankacter wrote: post #15
thebruce87m wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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While not word for word, it echoes the sentiment of the "official" response from Apple. "If you ever experience this on your iPhone 4, avoid gripping it in the lower left corner in a way that covers both sides of the black strip in the metal band"

There is a difference between “here’s how to avoid the problem” and “the problem is caused by you”.

Re: Apple must open iPadOS to sideloading within 6 months, EU says

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Post by riffraff »

Moldoteck wrote: post #12
kvdveer wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why would IpadOS not be held to the same DSA rules as IOS? Apple has applied the same model of gatekeeping (walled garden) to both the iPhone and the iPad. DSA attaches requirements to the gatekeepers if they are big enough. Software similarity and market positioning don't really come into consideration once the role of gatekeeper has been established.

Doesn't this mean that game consoles should be gatekeepers too like from sony/nintendo/microsoft?

I 100% think this is the case, my guess as to why they're not targeted yet is just that they're less visible to regulators.

I'd like to know if there's another explanation.

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