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Why so many men in the US have stopped working

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Re: Why so many men in the US have stopped working

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The assume this is voluntary we have been ejecting a certain demographic of male in the hopes to extra judicially eliminate them in an environment with 0 social safety net.

>ejecting a certain demographic of male in the hopes to extra judicially eliminate them

What do you speaking of?

Re: Why so many men in the US have stopped working

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I know the discourse around this topic is going to be an incel dumpster fire, but please consider all the positive reasons that could cause this, for example just being rich enough to retire at 50. Also consider that the population aged 25-54 is not just flatly distributed: there are dips and waves, the process of which changes the likelihood of being in the workforce.

Re: Why so many men in the US have stopped working

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post #12

I know the discourse around this topic is going to be an incel dumpster fire, but please consider all the positive reasons that could cause this, for example just being rich enough to retire at 50. Also consider that the population aged 25-54 is not just flatly distributed: there are dips and waves, the process of which changes the likelihood of being in the workforce.

Incel incel incel incel incel

Re: Why so many men in the US have stopped working

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I have a bunch of friends and family who are in their mid-late 20s, don't work, and spend all their time consuming entertainment. I do think that this is the real culprit. We have a situation where you can very cheaply block out the world and immerse yourself in digital wonderlands, and it's quite frankly a lot better than working some shit job in the real world. And at a certain point these folks say to themselves,…

How do they support themselves? Live off their parents?

Re: Why so many men in the US have stopped working

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Something I didn't see in the article: the effect of competition on expectations. The majority of males in the US are of course white. Increased access to the workforce for women and minority men means competition is greater than the days of their fathers/grandfathers etc when white males had a monopoly on all but the lowest-level jobs. As such, those who fail to see the context of that system may feel despair over what they see as lower standards than they were raised to believe were possible.

Re: Why so many men in the US have stopped working

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I personally have not seen a strong relationship between employment status and attracting a good partner. Women are not impressed by miserable decent paying corporate jobs. Theres no incentive

You are ignoring most women and only focusing on the elite.

Re: Why so many men in the US have stopped working

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The article mentions a lot of external reasons, but what about men who are just lazy and have the opportunity to do nothing? Be it because it's easier to claim benefits, or they still depend on their parents (or wife). All factors I would imagine are more common than in the 50's.

More and more I've been reading articles where misfortunes are mostly-if not exclusively-due to external factors, and personal responsibility is seldom mentioned.

Re: Why so many men in the US have stopped working

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> With so many factors at play, it's difficult to tease out which issues may affect the number of men in the workforce the most This bit at the end makes the article seem very incomplete, especially since data on the number of men in jail, in schools, on disability, is readily available.

I was under a lot of stress when I worked until I developed schizoaffective disorder and could no longer work and went on disability. Wounded in the line of IT duty. I am not counted as unemployed even if I am.

You are counted as not working though, under disabled.

Re: Why so many men in the US have stopped working

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Some reason is because consolidation of business. The local world around us, local business, has evaporated. Instead of making things & running loc shops - which requires local people to take command, to be entrepreneurial - there's now some vast far off corporate hierarchy doing all the decision making and rolling it out to an ever changing workforce of people they probably havent nor will ever meet.

There's not much dignity here. The opportunity to be the boots on the ground figuring out & doing things is semi done for. We don't see & witness the work of others around us, don't have the example of good rewarding work. Thus the social contract slips & gives.

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