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Re: Aux.computer: An Alternative to the Nix Ecosystem

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Post by viraptor »

nikolay wrote: post #10
viraptor wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Seeing an issue, working to resolve it, then making the environment better for others takes resilience. Stoicism and resilience does not mean rolling over and accepting bad things because problems in your life are not solvable.

There's a vast difference between "working to solve it" and "forking it"! The younger generations do not get the concept of "respect"! They need to respect those who've done the most work and not feel entitled that a small contribution to something makes them equal rights owners!

This is not some sudden issue people are overreacting to by forking. The discussions have been going on for months/years depending on which specific issue you're taking about. What you see now is the culmination of "we've tried to fix this, but the only remaining option we see is to fork". The "younger generations do not get ..." is a silly trope. https://historyhustle.com/2500-years-of-people-complaining-a...

If you're actually interested in the non-forking ways to fix it, what are your views on the relevant RFCs proposed and the outcome of those? What's the process you're thinking of that people have missed so far?

Re: Aux.computer: An Alternative to the Nix Ecosystem

#12

Post by _cenw »

nikolay wrote: post #6

Why now call it Snowflakes given: Kindness The project should be welcoming and a safe place for people to participate. I'm puzzled how overly sensitive the new generation of humans is! This the the opposite of stoicism and resilience!

I agree, everyone should be walking across burning coals barefoot every day to get to work, let alone volunteer their time to an open source project.

Re: Aux.computer: An Alternative to the Nix Ecosystem

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Post by hiimshort »

funcDropShadow wrote: post #13

Who is behind this fork?

Hi, I (Jake Hamilton) am.

Though, this is not an effort that can be undertaken by one person. My goal is publishing this page was to create a set of values, goals, and a roadmap for people (like myself) who would otherwise be leaving the Nix ecosystem due to its shortcomings. These values, goals, and roadmap can then be used for alignment to actually make it a reality. I worried that if these things weren't specified up front that people would instead continue arguing in circles about past problems rather than building a solution.

Re: Aux.computer: An Alternative to the Nix Ecosystem

#15

Post by hiimshort »

hiimshort wrote: post #14
funcDropShadow wrote: post #13

Who is behind this fork?

Hi, I (Jake Hamilton) am. Though, this is not an effort that can be undertaken by one person. My goal is publishing this page was to create a set of values, goals, and a roadmap for people (like myself) who would otherwise be leaving the Nix ecosystem due to its shortcomings. These values, goals, and roadmap can then be used for alignment to actually make it a reality. I worried that if these things weren't specified…

For reference, I use Nix a lot. I was pushing it pretty hard at Intuit while I worked there.

All my systems are managed with it:

https://github.com/jakehamilton/config

And I have created projects like Snowfall Lib to make working with certain features easier:

https://github.com/snowfallorg/lib

Re: Aux.computer: An Alternative to the Nix Ecosystem

#16

Post by nialv7 »

hiimshort wrote: post #14
funcDropShadow wrote: post #13

Who is behind this fork?

Hi, I (Jake Hamilton) am. Though, this is not an effort that can be undertaken by one person. My goal is publishing this page was to create a set of values, goals, and a roadmap for people (like myself) who would otherwise be leaving the Nix ecosystem due to its shortcomings. These values, goals, and roadmap can then be used for alignment to actually make it a reality. I worried that if these things weren't specified…

What communication channels do you plan to use for coordination? Forum, discord, IRC, matrix or something else?

Re: Aux.computer: An Alternative to the Nix Ecosystem

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Post by hiimshort »

nialv7 wrote: post #16
hiimshort wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hi, I (Jake Hamilton) am. Though, this is not an effort that can be undertaken by one person. My goal is publishing this page was to create a set of values, goals, and a roadmap for people (like myself) who would otherwise be leaving the Nix ecosystem due to its shortcomings. These values, goals, and roadmap can then be used for alignment to actually make it a reality. I worried that if these things weren't specified…

What communication channels do you plan to use for coordination? Forum, discord, IRC, matrix or something else?

A forum is currently being set up so people can start collaborating, but I intend to also create a Matrix space as well for real-time communications.

Re: Aux.computer: An Alternative to the Nix Ecosystem

#18

Post by nikolay »

viraptor wrote: post #11
nikolay wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's a vast difference between "working to solve it" and "forking it"! The younger generations do not get the concept of "respect"! They need to respect those who've done the most work and not feel entitled that a small contribution to something makes them equal rights owners!

This is not some sudden issue people are overreacting to by forking. The discussions have been going on for months/years depending on which specific issue you're taking about. What you see now is the culmination of "we've tried to fix this, but the only remaining option we see is to fork". The "younger generations do not get ..." is a silly trope. https://historyhustle.com/2500-years-of-people-complaining-a... If you…

I agreed with OpenTofu as then, without any doubt, a fork was needed. I agreed with the fork of Redis - there's no doubt there was no other way to make things "work out." I agreed with OpenSearch fork as well! But forking Nix is a sign of immaturity or lack of emotional resilience and nothing more! Any issue between reasonable people could be resolved by a productive dialog. If a person is intelligent enough to have such a vast contribution to such a great project, then they are a reasonable person, and a dialog is possible. "Where there's a will, there's a way."

Re: Aux.computer: An Alternative to the Nix Ecosystem

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Post by nikolay »

_cenw wrote: post #12
nikolay wrote: post #6

Why now call it Snowflakes given: Kindness The project should be welcoming and a safe place for people to participate. I'm puzzled how overly sensitive the new generation of humans is! This the the opposite of stoicism and resilience!

I agree, everyone should be walking across burning coals barefoot every day to get to work, let alone volunteer their time to an open source project.

Maybe they should find another project to contribute to. And, yeah, this is how we dance in Bulgaria [0] - on embers!

[0]: https://nestinari.bg/en/history/

Re: Aux.computer: An Alternative to the Nix Ecosystem

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Post by jubalfh »

jonringer117 wrote: post #4
krylon wrote: post #3

I know of Nix, but I know little about the project itself. Can someone shed some light on the reasons for forking?

There's a lot of issues right now around communication, moderation, and community. - One of the release managers (myself) was banned/suspended [1] - Attempts to assert control on the board's decision-making by proxy group [2] - Use of social media to target individuals [3] 1: https://www.reddit.com/r/NixOS/comments/1cd5fod/in_case_im_u... 2: https://discourse.nixos.org/t/objection-to-minority-represen... 3: https://g…

dear goddess, anduril really employs gobshites from the top to the bottom.
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