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Jimmy Carter UFO Incident

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Re: Jimmy Carter UFO Incident

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Too bad the aliens stopped visiting so prominently the moment camera phones became ubiquitous.

Same with Ghosts, I guess they're anti social.

Cameras don't have minds. Mind is not a camera. We do not know the nature of consciousness nor the true dimensionality of our reality. Joshua supposedly made the Sun stop and so do gurus in India (as a matter of routine) per numerous first hand reports, but no camera has ever captured it.

Re: Jimmy Carter UFO Incident

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I want the aliens to be real so much. But even if it doesn't turn out to be aliens, these sorts of events present an opportunity to study and explore as-of-yet unexplored or poorly understood phenomenon, which can be equally exciting. In particular, this example seems to be explained as follows: > In 2020, Justus completed an extensive study of the high-altitude barium release clouds, concluding that what Carter saw…

The barium clouds in that video are a cool effect. Can that model explain the movement towards, then away from the group of witnesses? I guess wind, but is it so common for wind to blow clouds 1 way and then stop and then blow the other? Not a metrologist, don't know! Haha :)

A good overview of "state of UAP" right now is: https://www.uap.guide/quotes/introduction

In addition, for fun, here's some other political figures (including some famous ones) and their UFO experiences:

- Democrat presidential candidate Dennis Kucinich admits he saw a UFO during the 2007 debate: https://www.cleveland.com/openers/2007/10/kucinich_at_debate...

- 40th US President Ronald Reagan was initially open about having been part of a group of passengers who witnessed a very fast UFO aboard an aircraft in 1974: https://science.howstuffworks.com/space/aliens-ufos/ronald-r...

- Army Gunner and Canadian parliamentary minister Paul Hellyer said he saw a UFO with his wife and friends: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Hellyer#Extraterrestrial_...

- Arizona governor Fife Symington was among witnesses of the Phoenix lights: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fife_Symington#Phoenix_Lights

- Kirsan Ilyumzhinov President of Kalmykia and head of World Chess Federation said he was show the inside of a UFO by NHIs: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kirsan_Ilyumzhinov#UFO_experie...

Re: Jimmy Carter UFO Incident

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I want the aliens to be real so much. But even if it doesn't turn out to be aliens, these sorts of events present an opportunity to study and explore as-of-yet unexplored or poorly understood phenomenon, which can be equally exciting. In particular, this example seems to be explained as follows: > In 2020, Justus completed an extensive study of the high-altitude barium release clouds, concluding that what Carter saw…

> I want the aliens to be real so much. But even if it doesn't turn out to be aliens, these sorts of events present an opportunity to study and explore as-of-yet unexplored or poorly understood phenomenon, which can be equally exciting. One of the main reasons why the UFO crowd discredits itself is the way that the crazies in the community are overrepresented, and look at "this flying object is not identified" and au…

"We can't be certain what it is, therefore, we are certain it is aliens."

You're right, and it's funny thinking about it in more abstract terms. Being "unidentified" means we can't match it to any known phenomenon, to then jump to being certain it is aliens is silly.

Re: Jimmy Carter UFO Incident

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> I want the aliens to be real so much. But even if it doesn't turn out to be aliens, these sorts of events present an opportunity to study and explore as-of-yet unexplored or poorly understood phenomenon, which can be equally exciting. One of the main reasons why the UFO crowd discredits itself is the way that the crazies in the community are overrepresented, and look at "this flying object is not identified" and au…

"We can't be certain what it is, therefore, we are certain it is aliens." You're right, and it's funny thinking about it in more abstract terms. Being "unidentified" means we can't match it to any known phenomenon, to then jump to being certain it is aliens is silly.

Although this characterization does not represent a lot of the analyses, and I think it's silly to "homogenize" a group of people and misrepresent them via stereotype.

Isn't that a definition of discrimination? That seems to be very silly. Haha! :)

Anyway, analysis focuses on "5 unexplainable observables" like : lift without control surfaces, instant acceleration, low observability, hypersonics without signatures, transmedium travel.

For a more serious introduction, see: https://www.uap.guide/

Re: Jimmy Carter UFO Incident

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I keep hearing folks say this in a way that grossly overestimates the capabilities of most modern camera phones. I have to ask, just how clearly does your phone take images of airliners, drones, high-altitude balloons, and satellites? Don't get me wrong, I'm not into claims of extraterrestrial visitations, but I am annoyed by the habits of lazy armchair skeptics, whose snark does more to distance true believers from…

More clearly than not taking a video of it. It'll show a bright dot, but a video will at least show a bright dot zooming unnaturally along the sky.

There are lots of such videos. But the strength of that data is not that strong. Haha! :)

If you have something like, right-angle change of direction, or high-res details it gets better.

Re: Jimmy Carter UFO Incident

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"... Carter himself later said that, while he had considered the object to be a UFO—on the grounds it was unexplained—his knowledge of physics had meant he had not believed himself to be witnessing an alien spacecraft."

Can you imagine that someone this clear-headed was ever the President of the United States?

Re: Jimmy Carter UFO Incident

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post #7

I want the aliens to be real so much. But even if it doesn't turn out to be aliens, these sorts of events present an opportunity to study and explore as-of-yet unexplored or poorly understood phenomenon, which can be equally exciting. In particular, this example seems to be explained as follows: > In 2020, Justus completed an extensive study of the high-altitude barium release clouds, concluding that what Carter saw…

> I want the aliens to be real so much. But even if it doesn't turn out to be aliens, these sorts of events present an opportunity to study and explore as-of-yet unexplored or poorly understood phenomenon, which can be equally exciting. One of the main reasons why the UFO crowd discredits itself is the way that the crazies in the community are overrepresented, and look at "this flying object is not identified" and au…

At the same time, the supposedly rational opponents to this does everyone a disservice by judging all of it based on the loudest fraction of people. And then we can’t have scientific inquiry into anything, because baby/bathwater.

Re: Jimmy Carter UFO Incident

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"... Carter himself later said that, while he had considered the object to be a UFO—on the grounds it was unexplained—his knowledge of physics had meant he had not believed himself to be witnessing an alien spacecraft." Can you imagine that someone this clear-headed was ever the President of the United States?

He is today 99 years old and still the most clear headed president.

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I have tried to photograph an aeroplane and also the moon with my iPhone 12 Max. The image quality is dismal.

You need one of those digital cameras that swap in a pre stored high resolution image of the moon .. they're magic! https://www.theverge.com/2023/3/13/23637401/samsung-fake-moo...

To me, that is actually consumer AI done right.

Re: Jimmy Carter UFO Incident

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He was interviewed on the Skeptics Guide to the Universe podcast, and they talked about the incident.

https://www.theskepticsguide.org/podcasts/episode-105

This was the podcast referenced on the John Oliver show recently, when Oliver talked about Jimmy Carter's UFO incident.

They also had a bit of followup (decades later) on the latest Skeptics Guide episode.

The current thought is that he saw some aircraft from a nearby airbase.

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