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Re: Snowflake Arctic Instruct (128x3B MoE), largest open source model

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Let’s stop using terms like open source falsely. The model isn’t open source, it is open weights. It’s good that the license for the weights is Apache, but for this model to be “truly open” they must release training data and source code under an OSI approved license. Otherwise it’s just misleading marketing. So far it seems like Snowflake will release some blog posts and “cookbooks”, whatever that means, but not act…

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Re: Snowflake Arctic Instruct (128x3B MoE), largest open source model

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Wow, 128 experts in a single model. That's a lot more than everyone else. The Snowflake team has a blog post explaining why they did that: https://www.snowflake.com/blog/arctic-open-efficient-foundat... But the most interesting aspect about this, for me, is that every tech company seems to be coming out with a free open model claiming to be better than the others at this thing or that thing. The number of choices is…

> over 0.6 million What a peculiar way to say: 600,000

You're right. I changed it. Thanks!

Re: Snowflake Arctic Instruct (128x3B MoE), largest open source model

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Wow, 128 experts in a single model. That's a lot more than everyone else. The Snowflake team has a blog post explaining why they did that: https://www.snowflake.com/blog/arctic-open-efficient-foundat... But the most interesting aspect about this, for me, is that every tech company seems to be coming out with a free open model claiming to be better than the others at this thing or that thing. The number of choices is…

Why 0.6 million and not +600k ?

You're right. I changed it. Thanks!

Re: Snowflake Arctic Instruct (128x3B MoE), largest open source model

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Wow, 128 experts in a single model. That's a lot more than everyone else. The Snowflake team has a blog post explaining why they did that: https://www.snowflake.com/blog/arctic-open-efficient-foundat... But the most interesting aspect about this, for me, is that every tech company seems to be coming out with a free open model claiming to be better than the others at this thing or that thing. The number of choices is…

The model seems to be "build something fast, get users, engagement, and venture capital, hope you can grow fast enough to still be around after the Great AI cull".

> offers over 0.6 million different pretrained open models.

One estimate I saw was that training GPT3 released 500 tons of CO2 back in 2020. Out of those 600k models, at least hundreds are of a comparable complexity. I can only hope building large models does not become analogous to cryptocoin speculation, where resources are forever burned only in a quest to attract the greater fool.

Those startups and researchers would better invest in smarter algorithms and approaches instead of trying to outpolute OpenAI, Meta and Microsoft.

Re: Snowflake Arctic Instruct (128x3B MoE), largest open source model

#15

Let’s stop using terms like open source falsely. The model isn’t open source, it is open weights. It’s good that the license for the weights is Apache, but for this model to be “truly open” they must release training data and source code under an OSI approved license. Otherwise it’s just misleading marketing. So far it seems like Snowflake will release some blog posts and “cookbooks”, whatever that means, but not act…

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Re: Snowflake Arctic Instruct (128x3B MoE), largest open source model

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This is the sparsest model thats been put out in a while (maybe ever, kinda forget the shapes of googles old sparse models). This probably wont be a great tradeoff for chat servers, but could be good for local stuff if you have 512GB of ram with your cpu.

it performs worst than 8b llama 3 so you probably don't need that much.
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