Almost everyone in any kind of power wants this except for themselves of course. It has nothing to do with 'the children' or 'crime'; they are not that naive. But some politicians who believe the crime & children narrative while not being in the same court as the censoring crowd might be naive enough to vote for it. It's a world wide illness and it should be prevented.
EU Police Chiefs want an end to end-to-end encryption
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#12Thats funny, I want an end to EU police chiefs.
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#13Everybody in the town knows who the drug lords are and where they live, the police apparently not, that is why they need to monitor us.
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#14Almost everyone in any kind of power wants this except for themselves of course. It has nothing to do with 'the children' or 'crime'; they are not that naive. But some politicians who believe the crime & children narrative while not being in the same court as the censoring crowd might be naive enough to vote for it. It's a world wide illness and it should be prevented.
I feel your vibe as I also distrust authority, but no, it's not "nothing" to do with kids and crime — calls for an end to crypto are foolish and misguided, crypto tech is too simple to inhibit and blocking access to it creates opportunities for criminals to do crimes, any competent criminal group can roll their own crypto from open source projects… but there's a lot of non-competent criminal groups out there too, just like there are plenty of non-competent legally operating corporations.
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes? Well, organised criminals for one, that way they know what they can get away with.
I know where I want to end up, but not how to get there from here: The Culture (Iain M Banks) is a surveillance anarchy where everyone is able to watch anyone at any time, and yet nobody really cares what you do.
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#15Almost everyone in any kind of power wants this except for themselves of course. It has nothing to do with 'the children' or 'crime'; they are not that naive. But some politicians who believe the crime & children narrative while not being in the same court as the censoring crowd might be naive enough to vote for it. It's a world wide illness and it should be prevented.
I feel your vibe as I also distrust authority, but no, it's not "nothing" to do with kids and crime — calls for an end to crypto are foolish and misguided, crypto tech is too simple to inhibit and blocking access to it creates opportunities for criminals to do crimes, any competent criminal group can roll their own crypto from open source projects… but there's a lot of non-competent criminal groups out there too, jus…
The Culture's not an anarchy, it's just a standard "liberal" (not exact on definitions) surveillance state. A lot of what's shown is 2003 Iraq war style preventative policing, but that's obvious selection effects to make the books interesting, and happens mostly away from central regions.
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#16I read this as "European Police Chiefs want everyone to leave their digital keys under the doormat". I always have the idea that police are late to this particular arms race and don't realize that their way of thinking about security is still somewhere last century. I mean, I don't even mean it to be insulting or anything. People can't be good at everything. It seems that police I've met so far (n Else the police chi…
I've met some very nice literal communists, who wanted to abolish money.
I think that's about the same level of wrong as cops trying to abolish encryption — I can see what they're saying and why, but the world can't be as they want it to be.
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#17>Our homes are becoming more dangerous than our streets as crime is moving online.
We have to fight that, bring crime back to the streets i say!! So we can stay at home and feel safe.
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#18Earlier quoted context omitted.
I feel your vibe as I also distrust authority, but no, it's not "nothing" to do with kids and crime — calls for an end to crypto are foolish and misguided, crypto tech is too simple to inhibit and blocking access to it creates opportunities for criminals to do crimes, any competent criminal group can roll their own crypto from open source projects… but there's a lot of non-competent criminal groups out there too, jus…
The Culture's not an anarchy, it's just a standard "liberal" (not exact on definitions) surveillance state. A lot of what's shown is 2003 Iraq war style preventative policing, but that's obvious selection effects to make the books interesting, and happens mostly away from central regions.
I'm not sure how you can say The Culture isn't an anarchy given its only rules are "don't force someone to do something they don't want to", "don't kill someone permanently or we will watch you closely to make sure you don't do it again", and "don't literally read someone's mind or we will call you names and not invite you to parties".
That said, I do agree that there's a necessary selection effect to make the books interesting, as the fundamental problem of writing about a good day in a utopia is that the writer's idea of what that even means is unlikely to sell any copies — so I think of these books in a similar vein to how others say that Asimov's robot books are a demonstration of all the ways that the premise (in the latter's case, the Three Laws) don't really work as well as one might hope.
As I say, what I hope for is the promise of The Culture, but I don't know how to get there… or even if one can.
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#19Thats funny, I want an end to EU police chiefs.
Ok, why?
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#20>Our homes are becoming more dangerous than our streets as crime is moving online. We have to fight that, bring crime back to the streets i say!! So we can stay at home and feel safe.
Imagine all those evil people saying mean things to each other over the internet!