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Mercedes becomes the first automaker to sell autonomous cars in the U.S.

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2 out of 50 states is technically the USA, I guesss. Hopefully it can pass the driving tests in California and Nevada.

California being the most populous state is a pretty big deal. I'm guessing the focus on two states is more a result of Mercedes' focus on geofencing/mapping test areas than anything.

It makes sense from the business point of view. A staged release is easier and less expensive to manage.

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> As of April 11, there were 65 Mercedes autonomous vehicles available for sale in California ... One of those has since been sold, which marks the first sale of an autonomous Mercedes in California ... Those are pretty small numbers and strike me more as them testing the waters. It's neat to see some potential in the space after what felt like a total collapse with Waymo and Tesla especially not living up to expecta…

What are you referring to with Waymo? They were still operating in LA and SF as of this week. Do you mean Cruise (owned by GM)?

In any case, the Mercedes system is what's known as a conditionally autonomous system. It can drive itself under specific conditions, but a human is still involved in operating the vehicle as soon as it exits that design domain. Waymo (and Cruise) are fully autonomous systems. Humans are not involved in the control loop and the vehicles will stop if they leave their operational domain. Tesla FSD is not an autonomous system at all and requires a human to always be in control.

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The first actually autonomous car (under very specific circumstances) sold to the general consumer should be a historic day for Mercedes US, and the auto industry as a whole. But there doesn't seem to be even a press release on mbusa.com?

Considering there are grand total of 65 cars available for sale, it's obvious that the company is still testing the waters. There's no reason to do a massive PR push until they are ready and can scale production.

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> As of April 11, there were 65 Mercedes autonomous vehicles available for sale in California ... One of those has since been sold, which marks the first sale of an autonomous Mercedes in California ... Those are pretty small numbers and strike me more as them testing the waters. It's neat to see some potential in the space after what felt like a total collapse with Waymo and Tesla especially not living up to expecta…

I'm curious why Waymo is considered to be not living up to expectations? They operate in limited number of places, but seem to be just fine driving there (of course some people will not like them regardless). Tesla - yes, not comparable..

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2 out of 50 states is technically the USA, I guesss. Hopefully it can pass the driving tests in California and Nevada.

Mercedes takes all legal responsibility for any accidents caused during autonomous operation. So far, autonomous operation is limited to relatively few situations, but most importantly it includes traffic jams (which is where human drivers quickly lose focus).

> "all legal responsibility"

I have a feeling there is enough small print to allow them to wiggle out of most situations.

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The first actually autonomous car (under very specific circumstances) sold to the general consumer should be a historic day for Mercedes US, and the auto industry as a whole. But there doesn't seem to be even a press release on mbusa.com?

All things AI related seem to suffer from some kind of collective hedonic adaptation.

I was pretty thrilled to start using ChatGPT as a math tutor, nowadays I'm just "meeh" (while still using it as a math tutor).

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"Drivers can activate Mercedes’s technology, called Drive Pilot, when certain conditions are met, including in heavy traffic jams, during the daytime, on specific California and Nevada freeways, and when the car is traveling less than 40 mph."

This is not what people think of when they see a headline like this. It's just a bunch of PR bs.

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> As of April 11, there were 65 Mercedes autonomous vehicles available for sale in California ... One of those has since been sold, which marks the first sale of an autonomous Mercedes in California ... Those are pretty small numbers and strike me more as them testing the waters. It's neat to see some potential in the space after what felt like a total collapse with Waymo and Tesla especially not living up to expecta…

I'm curious why Waymo is considered to be not living up to expectations? They operate in limited number of places, but seem to be just fine driving there (of course some people will not like them regardless). Tesla - yes, not comparable..

https://arstechnica.com/cars/2017/10/report-waymo-aiming-to-...

"Even if Waymo's schedule slips a few months and it introduces a self-driving car service in the middle of 2018 instead of late 2017, that will still give the company a multiple-year head start over most of its rivals. And it would confound skeptics who insist that full self-driving technology is still years away."

https://www.ft.com/content/3355f5b0-539d-11e8-b24e-cad6aa67e...

Waymo forecast to capture 60% of driverless market

Group’s dominance by 2030 will force carmakers to adopt its technology, says report

Investment bank UBS estimated global revenues from self-driving technology by 2030 will be up to $2.8tn, with Alphabet’s Waymo unit the global leader.

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> Drivers can activate Mercedes’s technology, called Drive Pilot, when certain conditions are met, including in heavy traffic jams, during the daytime, on specific California and Nevada freeways, and when the car is traveling less than 40 mph.

So this isn't any more of an advancement than Tesla's autopilot, which has been standard in every car for years.

Basically if Tesla decided to self-insure when autopilot is engaged, it would be the same.

Misleading headline. The cars aren't autonomous at all. They have self-insured cruise control under specific restricted conditions.

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> As of April 11, there were 65 Mercedes autonomous vehicles available for sale in California ... One of those has since been sold, which marks the first sale of an autonomous Mercedes in California ... Those are pretty small numbers and strike me more as them testing the waters. It's neat to see some potential in the space after what felt like a total collapse with Waymo and Tesla especially not living up to expecta…

Mmm, if you said Cruise I'd be on board, but Waymo is my primary mode of transportation around SF these days.
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