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America is uniquely ill-suited to handle a falling population
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Re: America is uniquely ill-suited to handle a falling population
#12This is only loosely related to the article -
I always hear people talking about how disastrous a falling population is. But I visited Japan last year which has had a falling population for a while and was in a long term recession for decades, since the 80s.
I gotta ask, is that what “bad” looks like?
Because I thought it was a pretty amazing experience and society did not seem like it was crumbling.
I understand they have their problems as a country (so do we all), but if Japan is a future indicator, I’d say we don’t really have to worry about falling pop too much?
Re: America is uniquely ill-suited to handle a falling population
#13If the strength of population growth, hard work attitude and morals ever come back from the 50s we'll be ok. Since the internet seems to want the opposite, I guess we're just going to burn.
“We” will be fine no matter what. The future will still have Mormons and Muslims and evangelical Christians. Whether it has secular humanists or not isn’t our problem.
> The future will still have Mormons and Muslims and evangelical Christians.
Do you want Idiocracy[0]? Because that's how you get Idiocracy
Re: America is uniquely ill-suited to handle a falling population
#14Well then, aren't we lucky that there are so many people who want to come to America? It might be a good idea to, y'know, let them in and allow them to work.
This is such an easy to solve problem. If only we would decide to solve it.
Re: America is uniquely ill-suited to handle a falling population
#15This is only loosely related to the article - I always hear people talking about how disastrous a falling population is. But I visited Japan last year which has had a falling population for a while and was in a long term recession for decades, since the 80s. I gotta ask, is that what “bad” looks like? Because I thought it was a pretty amazing experience and society did not seem like it was crumbling. I understand the…
"Death spirals tend to be worse in America because of the remarkable level to which the government is decentralised."
Difference between USA and Japan. Japan is far more centralized than USA. Not saying that is a better system, but it may be advantageous to handle declining population.
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#16Earlier quoted context omitted.
“We” will be fine no matter what. The future will still have Mormons and Muslims and evangelical Christians. Whether it has secular humanists or not isn’t our problem.
> The future will still have Mormons and Muslims and evangelical Christians. Do you want Idiocracy[0]? Because that's how you get Idiocracy [0]: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0387808/
how does religious folks result in Idiocracy scenario?
Quite the opposite it seems looking at history.
Re: America is uniquely ill-suited to handle a falling population
#17If the strength of population growth, hard work attitude and morals ever come back from the 50s we'll be ok. Since the internet seems to want the opposite, I guess we're just going to burn.
“We” will be fine no matter what. The future will still have Mormons and Muslims and evangelical Christians. Whether it has secular humanists or not isn’t our problem.
Did you leave out Catholics (20% of the US population) on purpose?
Re: America is uniquely ill-suited to handle a falling population
#18...or a Civil War...
...or a Great Depression...
This Tower of debt-Babel has been a century in building. The resources[1] and ideals are present. The rot at the top is the challenge. If America is "exceptional", then another exception will be thrown, and we'll struggle onward.
[1] https://www.amazon.com/Accidental-Superpower-Ten-Years/dp/15...
Re: America is uniquely ill-suited to handle a falling population
#19I... can't bring myself to trust doomerism from economists at the moment. It would further help if America wasn't doing particularly better than... most everywhere else right now?
I'm not confident enough to say this is obviously wrong. I am fairly confident in saying it is almost certainly oversold. "Uniquely ill-suited," per the headline, reeks of bullshit.
Re: America is uniquely ill-suited to handle a falling population
#20This is only loosely related to the article - I always hear people talking about how disastrous a falling population is. But I visited Japan last year which has had a falling population for a while and was in a long term recession for decades, since the 80s. I gotta ask, is that what “bad” looks like? Because I thought it was a pretty amazing experience and society did not seem like it was crumbling. I understand the…
I think the situation in Japan is a bit different, with how the overwhelming majority of its population is concentrated into just a few cities, with that concentration intensifying as the few remaining young people in rural areas move to the cities in search of opportunity. The effects of population decline aren’t that visible in Tokyo, Osaka, Sapporo, etc, but become evident as one travels further away from major metros.
The population of the US, while still weighted toward cities, is for now still considerably more diffused. Even so, I’ve already seen some of the effects in my tiny rural hometown which has seen its population cut in half in the past decade and change since I moved out. The only reason it’s hanging on at all is because of the major highway running through it and because it’s one of the only places to get essentials (grocery stores etc) in the larger area which pulls in residents of surrounding towns, which are even more depopulated.