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MSFT's WizardLM2 models have been taken down

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Re: MSFT's WizardLM2 models have been taken down

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Post by benterix »

calebrob6 wrote: post #9
vldmrs wrote: post #8

Why have they been removed ?

It looks like it needs to go through toxicity testing -- https://twitter.com/WizardLM_AI/status/1780101465950105775

So this is a good thing for people like me who don't care if some piece of software is "toxic" with me or not.

Re: MSFT's WizardLM2 models have been taken down

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Post by haolez »

calebrob6 wrote: post #9
vldmrs wrote: post #8

Why have they been removed ?

It looks like it needs to go through toxicity testing -- https://twitter.com/WizardLM_AI/status/1780101465950105775

I can't imagine how toxicity in a LLM can be harmful. Can't we write stories with toxic characters, for example?

It feels like the greatest minds of our era are creating an amazing piece of technology. And we are hindering it in the name of corporate cover ass and bullshit jobs.

Re: MSFT's WizardLM2 models have been taken down

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Post by cies »

null_point wrote: post #12
calebrob6 wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It looks like it needs to go through toxicity testing -- https://twitter.com/WizardLM_AI/status/1780101465950105775

Toxicity testing? That a self-imposed requirement by Microsoft?

Marketing most likely. What if news headlines say: MS LLMs Make Racist Remarks

With lots of juicy examples.

Not that I care. But MS' marketing does.

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Post by mistrial9 »

haolez wrote: post #13
calebrob6 wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It looks like it needs to go through toxicity testing -- https://twitter.com/WizardLM_AI/status/1780101465950105775

I can't imagine how toxicity in a LLM can be harmful. Can't we write stories with toxic characters, for example? It feels like the greatest minds of our era are creating an amazing piece of technology. And we are hindering it in the name of corporate cover ass and bullshit jobs.

if you read the large theory papers on human-computer LLM interfaces, the people who build these are genuinely worried about "harm" . Impolitely, it appears from the outside that the kind of researchers that they have attracted over a decade to do this fantastically tedious and abstract work, are covered in emotional illness symptoms personally, and developed a culture of incessantly declaring "harm" in every shadow of every corner; at the same time, corporate black-hearts have money on the mind, and are genuinely worried about "harm" in the form of consumer retaliation in the marketplace, massive legal liability for civil rights blunders, and losing the sweet spot to a competitor; then government at the executive level, at the Nation-State, are obsessing about obtaining and implementing AI for competitive advantage against just about every other group of people you can name -- as long as no one can prove that they implemented "harm" while getting unprecedented competitive advantages at scale over populations of unwitting civilians, their geopolitical rivals, and probably other political types of a different stripe.

So no, it is not "bs jobs" at all .. but worse

Re: MSFT's WizardLM2 models have been taken down

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Post by tmearnest »

null_point wrote: post #12
calebrob6 wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It looks like it needs to go through toxicity testing -- https://twitter.com/WizardLM_AI/status/1780101465950105775

Toxicity testing? That a self-imposed requirement by Microsoft?

I don’t think they forgot about Tay.

https://spectrum.ieee.org/in-2016-microsofts-racist-chatbot-...

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Post by perrygeo »

calebrob6 wrote: post #9
vldmrs wrote: post #8

Why have they been removed ?

It looks like it needs to go through toxicity testing -- https://twitter.com/WizardLM_AI/status/1780101465950105775

It was trained on content from the internet. I'd be massively surprised if it somehow wasn't toxic. Humanity (or a small portion of it) is full of assholes. As much as that sucks, shouldn't the embeddings reflect the reality of the training content? If you want fluffy bunnies and flowers and happy people holding hands, shouldn't you just train it on that content?

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Post by [deleted] »

mistrial9 wrote: post #15
haolez wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I can't imagine how toxicity in a LLM can be harmful. Can't we write stories with toxic characters, for example? It feels like the greatest minds of our era are creating an amazing piece of technology. And we are hindering it in the name of corporate cover ass and bullshit jobs.

if you read the large theory papers on human-computer LLM interfaces, the people who build these are genuinely worried about "harm" . Impolitely, it appears from the outside that the kind of researchers that they have attracted over a decade to do this fantastically tedious and abstract work, are covered in emotional illness symptoms personally, and developed a culture of incessantly declaring "harm" in every shadow…

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