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Post by runeb »

fwip wrote: post #6
paulsutter wrote: post #5

Enforcement of traffic offenses is down 95% in the past 10 years in San Francisco. Explains the outcome and the claims that "crime is down" https://x.com/zachcoelius/status/1779373752905589221

Hang on now, you've begged the question. Your data shows that traffic citations are down. It doesn't show anything about whether that's due to lax enforcement or less occurrences. In fact, if you look at a lot of those graphs, they hit a low point in 2020 - right when covid WFH would have drastically reduced a lot of traffic, and in turn, traffic crimes.

While you’re correct that you would see the same graphs if drivers had become exemplary, observing traffic in SF anecdotally point towards the opposite. It’s frankly shocking.

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Post by silverquiet »

delichon wrote: post #2

I'm afraid this poor guy will be besieged by people who heard about a vacancy in San Francisco. I've unfortunately had my share of dead friends and relatives. I wish I could say that it somehow has made me stronger, more mature, but I'm afraid that the opposite is more true. Each is a trauma that I never entirely recover from. They make the world more bleak, confusing, cold, scary. And it makes it harder to comfort p…

So sleep tight kids…

I think this is why religion is so important and I say that as someone who is incapable of believing in any.

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Post by fwip »

paulsutter wrote: post #7
fwip wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hang on now, you've begged the question. Your data shows that traffic citations are down. It doesn't show anything about whether that's due to lax enforcement or less occurrences. In fact, if you look at a lot of those graphs, they hit a low point in 2020 - right when covid WFH would have drastically reduced a lot of traffic, and in turn, traffic crimes.

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I could search my heart to try to interpret your sarcastic comments in good-faith.

Like, maybe you mean, "Surely, there should be a roughly linear relationship between the number of cars on the road and the number of unlawful traffic activities, and the decrease in driving in San Francisco was only X%, not 95%." To which I could say something like, "Hmm, yeah, that's a good point. Maybe less people run red lights if they aren't feeling frustrated from traffic already - or maybe the opposite, maybe more people run them if there isn't any perceived cross traffic. Would it be okay, or even good, to loosen traffic enforcement if the actual risk of the illegal activity has decreased?"

But honestly? You sound like you've got some really strong guiding narratives that you're not willing to talk about like an adult. So I'm not gonna play.

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Post by genericlogic »

paulsutter wrote: post #5

Enforcement of traffic offenses is down 95% in the past 10 years in San Francisco. Explains the outcome and the claims that "crime is down" https://x.com/zachcoelius/status/1779373752905589221

While I can't comment on the stats, I do have a story. A long time ago I was working and living in SF. I had just finished work and was heading over to a nearby bar. I was waiting at a very busy intersection for the cross walk to signal to go. I had recently moved to SF and all my new friends warned me about cars, so I was being cautious. There was a guy standing in front of me with big headphones on looking at his phone. He just stepped into the street. Out of the corner of me eye I saw a car taking a turn coming right at him too fast. I reached out, grabbed him by his backpack and pulled him back on the sidewalk. His eyes were firmly fixed on me as the car zoomed by where he would have been, him totally oblivious. He gave the the WTF is your problem face then safely crossed the street.

I think about that guy sometimes and wonder what his version of the story is. Further I sometimes question if he was ever in danger and I was just being overly cautious.

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Post by kirubakaran »

fwip wrote: post #13
paulsutter wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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I could search my heart to try to interpret your sarcastic comments in good-faith. Like, maybe you mean, "Surely, there should be a roughly linear relationship between the number of cars on the road and the number of unlawful traffic activities, and the decrease in driving in San Francisco was only X%, not 95%." To which I could say something like, "Hmm, yeah, that's a good point. Maybe less people run red lights if…

Considering the chart starts in 2014, I can understand the parent commenter having difficulty taking your Covid-19 argument in good faith.

What data would you need to see to change your mind?

PS: I went looking for data, and the number of traffic fatalities per year haven't gone up significantly since 2014. So I stand corrected. It's a big relief, as an SF resident; parent commenter's chart was really worrying. Phew

https://sfgov.org/scorecards/transportation/traffic-fataliti...

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Post by kirubakaran »

genericlogic wrote: post #14
paulsutter wrote: post #5

Enforcement of traffic offenses is down 95% in the past 10 years in San Francisco. Explains the outcome and the claims that "crime is down" https://x.com/zachcoelius/status/1779373752905589221

While I can't comment on the stats, I do have a story. A long time ago I was working and living in SF. I had just finished work and was heading over to a nearby bar. I was waiting at a very busy intersection for the cross walk to signal to go. I had recently moved to SF and all my new friends warned me about cars, so I was being cautious. There was a guy standing in front of me with big headphones on looking at his p…

Despite what he thinks, I'm glad you did what you did. Thanks!

It reminded me of the movie Due Date:

    Peter Highman: How have you made it this far? How have you not run yourself over in a car?
    Ethan Tremblay: I've done that.
    Peter Highman: How have you survived? That's my question.
    Ethan Tremblay: Mostly luck.
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1231583/quotes/

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Post by klodolph »

forgotusername6 wrote: post #8

There's a really confusing gap between grief, or what I thought grief should look like, when losing someone close and the indifference or mere sympathy that comes with hearing about the loss of someone you don't know. A number of years ago I found out that someone I knew from university had died. He was young, and the whole thing was just so genuinely confusing that I didn't know how to feel about it. I'm in a simila…

You’re not alone. I think it’s really common to question yourself and ask, “Is this how I should be feeling? How I’m supposed to be feeling? How I’m supposed to be acting?”

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Post by chasd00 »

andrewstuart wrote: post #3

I've been hit twice by a car (cars?) and had the good fortune to not even be severely injured. Many other near brushes with death have me down to only one or two of my nine lives.

i got hit once by a police car making a left turn while on his phone with me having the right of way. I rolled over the hood jumped up, said i was fine, and took off. I was late for a meeting. Sometimes i wish for a broken arm, i would be on a beach right now instead of logged on and coding.
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