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RedHat employee bans Hyprland creator from FDO

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Re: RedHat employee bans Hyprland creator from FDO

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Post by neonsunset »

bitwize wrote: post #9
PlutoIsAPlanet wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Oh, and the fact that Vaxry slagged off Lyude publicly in his blog for good-faith enforcement of the code of conduct From what I see they both slagged each other. Again though, I'm asking for where's the spreading of hate.

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This email is a very good demonstration on why you don't negotiate with terrorists or politburo representatives. They have gotten where they are exactly because they enjoy abusing the power given to them. Pleading your case before them is to just give them amusement.

They will spit on the work you carefully worked on throughout the years and celebrate that.

Thus, you don't negotiate. Instead, you go to their higher-ups and highlight that the company's resources are being misappropriated for petty squabbles and personal tilting at windmills.

Though sadly nowadays it has gotten way more difficult, because a greater portion of bureaucratic, community and HR positions in the companies are captured, so when the damage is noticed, it may already be too late.

Re: RedHat employee bans Hyprland creator from FDO

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Post by robert_foss »

neonsunset wrote: post #10

Wow. This looks really bad and ideologically driven behavior from FDO member. As usual, the likely scenario is RedHat are unaware and the person who executed the ban is simply abusing their position of power. This, unfortunately, is an extremely common occurrence throughout many dev communities today. Sadly, companies still have not learned the kind of damage it does to them and how inappropriate this kind of abuse i…

FDO has a code of conduct and this person wasn't behaving in a manner permissible by the CoC.

Not agreeing with the CoC is one thing, but FDO is a community and it needs to be able to create a safe and inclusive space for its members.

I'm a FDO member and I see no problem here, the CoC existing and being upheld is a good thing.

Re: RedHat employee bans Hyprland creator from FDO

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Post by neonsunset »

robert_foss wrote: post #12
neonsunset wrote: post #10

Wow. This looks really bad and ideologically driven behavior from FDO member. As usual, the likely scenario is RedHat are unaware and the person who executed the ban is simply abusing their position of power. This, unfortunately, is an extremely common occurrence throughout many dev communities today. Sadly, companies still have not learned the kind of damage it does to them and how inappropriate this kind of abuse i…

FDO has a code of conduct and this person wasn't behaving in a manner permissible by the CoC. Not agreeing with the CoC is one thing, but FDO is a community and it needs to be able to create a safe and inclusive space for its members. I'm a FDO member and I see no problem here, the CoC existing and being upheld is a good thing.

Have you read the email conversation in question? Surely it made you concerned at least a little in regards to the state of FDO and RedHat?

Thinly and not so thinly veiled threats to another person to police their own, not related to FDO in any way, shape or form, community because it does not adhere to your political ideology sounds like a severe abuse of power to me.

Re: RedHat employee bans Hyprland creator from FDO

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Post by robert_foss »

neonsunset wrote: post #13
robert_foss wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

FDO has a code of conduct and this person wasn't behaving in a manner permissible by the CoC. Not agreeing with the CoC is one thing, but FDO is a community and it needs to be able to create a safe and inclusive space for its members. I'm a FDO member and I see no problem here, the CoC existing and being upheld is a good thing.

Have you read the email conversation in question? Surely it made you concerned at least a little in regards to the state of FDO and RedHat? Thinly and not so thinly veiled threats to another person to police their own, not related to FDO in any way, shape or form, community because it does not adhere to your political ideology sounds like a severe abuse of power to me.

Yes, I read it.

No one is owed FDO membership.

FDO is a community, and having people be treated with respect is crucial for maintaining this community. Letting people with a history of not respecting others be a part of that community is a problem, even if that behavior was displayed elsewhere.

Re: RedHat employee bans Hyprland creator from FDO

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Post by bitwize »

neonsunset wrote: post #13
robert_foss wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

FDO has a code of conduct and this person wasn't behaving in a manner permissible by the CoC. Not agreeing with the CoC is one thing, but FDO is a community and it needs to be able to create a safe and inclusive space for its members. I'm a FDO member and I see no problem here, the CoC existing and being upheld is a good thing.

Have you read the email conversation in question? Surely it made you concerned at least a little in regards to the state of FDO and RedHat? Thinly and not so thinly veiled threats to another person to police their own, not related to FDO in any way, shape or form, community because it does not adhere to your political ideology sounds like a severe abuse of power to me.

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Re: RedHat employee bans Hyprland creator from FDO

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Post by neonsunset »

robert_foss wrote: post #14
neonsunset wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Have you read the email conversation in question? Surely it made you concerned at least a little in regards to the state of FDO and RedHat? Thinly and not so thinly veiled threats to another person to police their own, not related to FDO in any way, shape or form, community because it does not adhere to your political ideology sounds like a severe abuse of power to me.

Yes, I read it. No one is owed FDO membership. FDO is a community, and having people be treated with respect is crucial for maintaining this community. Letting people with a history of not respecting others be a part of that community is a problem, even if that behavior was displayed elsewhere.

Surely you must be joking.

I don't remember since when "bowing down to threats" is adhering to CoC and "openly threatening someone over resolved conflicts under the suspicion of wrongthink" was "respectful behavior from community representatives".

Either way, it is always "we're just policing the bad people" until the bad person is you.

Re: RedHat employee bans Hyprland creator from FDO

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Post by DarkByte8 »

bitwize wrote: post #7
ChocolateGod wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's immature and unthoughtful behaviour, but I fail to see "hate" or continued spreading of "hate", why a Wayland compositor uses Discord as a community forum given Discord is the gutter when it comes to online converse , who knows. Keyword in your message is "may".

Discord is much, much more convenient than the historic alternatives like IRC or email. If you want a project to grow you have to meet prospective developers where they are; and in the 2020s that's X (Twitter), Mastodon, and Discord. Discord communities can be moderated to be safe and friendly... but Vaxry couldn't be arsed to do so because he's "based". As to whether Vaxry was "really" promulgating hate... Refusing…

> When trans people and trans allies have positions of authority in an open-source community, public transphobes will get issued preemptive bans for the health of the community and the project. It is altogether fitting and proper that this be done.

It sounds like abuse of power

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