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Begging EuroRust to acknowledge independent workers

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Re: Begging EuroRust to acknowledge independent workers

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Enter your VAT = business ticket is quite a common scheme AFAIK. Pycon Italy does this since its first conference (2007).

A small business is still a business, and business tickets kind of subsidize personal tickets.

Difference in price between personal and business is a bit steep here, that’s the real problem.

Re: Begging EuroRust to acknowledge independent workers

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post #10

Does Europe really need to have the VAT? Usually here (Canada) you give it if you want to tell the business selling you something not to charge you sale tax. If you dont, you just claim the sales taxes at the end or the fiscal year instead.

Reclaiming VAT across borders, even within the EU, is incredibly annoying (at least last I checked - and AFAIK it can be flat out impossible too.) It's still an "export" for VAT purposes, so it's functionally akin to speaking to a customs agent on leaving the country of sale.

Re: Begging EuroRust to acknowledge independent workers

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post #12
post #10

Does Europe really need to have the VAT? Usually here (Canada) you give it if you want to tell the business selling you something not to charge you sale tax. If you dont, you just claim the sales taxes at the end or the fiscal year instead.

Reclaiming VAT across borders, even within the EU, is incredibly annoying (at least last I checked - and AFAIK it can be flat out impossible too.) It's still an "export" for VAT purposes, so it's functionally akin to speaking to a customs agent on leaving the country of sale.

Why would you need to reclaim VAT? If you are a business and have a VAT ID, the seller should invoice you with 0% if it's a cross border sale and you need to report it to your government (reverse charge).

Re: Begging EuroRust to acknowledge independent workers

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WARNING: UNEDUCATED AND POTENTIALLY IRRELEVANT AMERO-CENTRIC OPINIONS BELOW I tend to agree with the other commenter, this guy should have registered as an individual without his VAT number and just use whatever receipt they gave him to claim the expense. I'm far too lazy to deep dive into French tax but a quick skim of [0] indicates that you can submit a "receipt" in addition to an invoice. Sure you can get audited…

Having a business in Europe is significantly more complicated than in the US with lots of rules to follow. France seems to be especially strict if your business expenses need to be on a separate accout, that isn't the case in other EU countries. However, it's worth noting that with a VAT ID the ticket also becomes cheaper because the 20% VAT for France doesn't get added.

Re: Begging EuroRust to acknowledge independent workers

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I’m a bit surprised he pays taxes on revenue. I’ve run a similar type of single person company (different country, still EU) and I paid taxes on revenue less expenses. There were also no such thing as “keeping money in the company”, but I could expense the ticket and buy it with pre-tax money as a company or not expense it and buy it with post tax money as an individual. Sounds like he wants his cake and tax deduct it too.

If he really can’t expense stuff, why does he even have a business card?

I’m on the conference side on this matter.

Re: Begging EuroRust to acknowledge independent workers

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I don't really get the problem here, either you're going there privately, because you're interested in the topic, and pay the lower amount. Or you go there as a business trip and pay the higher amount. Why would they allow you to go there as a business while paying the lower amount, just because your business is only yourself?

Re: Begging EuroRust to acknowledge independent workers

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I don't really get the problem here, either you're going there privately, because you're interested in the topic, and pay the lower amount. Or you go there as a business trip and pay the higher amount. Why would they allow you to go there as a business while paying the lower amount, just because your business is only yourself?

They think they don't need to pay taxes. I cannot think of any other reason for this rant. I guess it's refreshing to have a libertarian kind of ethos in the Rust community in addition to the typical quite-far-left-of-center kind.

I totally get it. When you get into the flow of routing expenses through your business, it feels extra bad when you're disallowed doing that.

Re: Begging EuroRust to acknowledge independent workers

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I’m a bit surprised he pays taxes on revenue. I’ve run a similar type of single person company (different country, still EU) and I paid taxes on revenue less expenses. There were also no such thing as “keeping money in the company”, but I could expense the ticket and buy it with pre-tax money as a company or not expense it and buy it with post tax money as an individual. Sounds like he wants his cake and tax deduct i…

sounded a lot more like he wanted to:

1. spend pre-tax money

2. and is VAT registered

3. so needs to quote a VAT number

4. but doesn't want to pay the "I'm a rich big company" ticket price

Re: Begging EuroRust to acknowledge independent workers

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post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Reclaiming VAT across borders, even within the EU, is incredibly annoying (at least last I checked - and AFAIK it can be flat out impossible too.) It's still an "export" for VAT purposes, so it's functionally akin to speaking to a customs agent on leaving the country of sale.

Why would you need to reclaim VAT? If you are a business and have a VAT ID, the seller should invoice you with 0% if it's a cross border sale and you need to report it to your government (reverse charge).

Dude did you read the original article at all? The entire point is that they don't want to accept the VAT ID.

Re: Begging EuroRust to acknowledge independent workers

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post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why would you need to reclaim VAT? If you are a business and have a VAT ID, the seller should invoice you with 0% if it's a cross border sale and you need to report it to your government (reverse charge).

Dude did you read the original article at all? The entire point is that they don't want to accept the VAT ID.

I did, and I'm wondering if you can reclaim VAT cross-border at all if you didn't get a 0% invoice in the first place.
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