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Post by ianburrell »

carabiner wrote: post #8
ndkxmwnrbto wrote: post #5

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I do wonder about bias but so far there's no evidence of gas chambers at these camps. It's not hard to find descendants of these camp prisoners (I went to high school with one) in the US and they don't seem to hold much animosity towards the US govt for what was a terrible mistake. I imagine that if these camps were actually much worse that what is reported, we'd hear it from the living nisei today.

Of the 120,000 Japanese in camps, 1862 known to have died. That was lower death rate than the US overall. Probably cause there were fewer elderly since immigrants tend to be young. I'm sure there is research if deaths were excessive but couldn't find it.

Compare to German concentration camps which would probably be called death camps if not for the extermination camps. Or to the Japanese internment camps in China.

Internment camps were bad but they are lower level of bad.

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Why the hell is ndkxmwnrbto's comment about the dignity of the Japanese poeple flagged and dead?

I'll repost the wikipedia link here [0]

It perfectly echos what I am saying about Viktor Frankl and the remarkable human capacity for finding strength under extreme adversity.

Whoever flagged that should be ashamed.

[0] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shikata_ga_nai

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Post by geephroh »

nonrandomstring wrote: post #10
omegaworks wrote: post #6

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To be clear, we weren't "Japanese" victims. 2/3 of us were American citizens, and the remainder of the imprisoned first-generation immigrants -- many of whom had lived in the US for decades prior to the war -- were barred from naturalization because of their race. This would remain the case until the passage of the Immigration Act of 1952[1].

And while I don't wish to be overly prickly about it since you are obviously approaching this from a place of good intentions, you might want to read up on what we call the "model minority myth"[2]. The "success" of the Japanese American community in surmounting the challenges of the exclusion and incarceration experience has been used repeatedly as a cudgel in US cultural and political discourse wielded against other groups for their perceived failures in achieving the "American Dream." From what you have written here, I know that is not what you support.

1. https://encyclopedia.densho.org/Immigration_Act_of_1952/ 2. https://densho.org/learn/model-minority-myth/

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Post by geephroh »

nonrandomstring wrote: post #12

Why the hell is ndkxmwnrbto's comment about the dignity of the Japanese poeple flagged and dead? I'll repost the wikipedia link here [0] It perfectly echos what I am saying about Viktor Frankl and the remarkable human capacity for finding strength under extreme adversity. Whoever flagged that should be ashamed. [0] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shikata_ga_nai

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Post by nonrandomstring »

geephroh wrote: post #13
nonrandomstring wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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To be clear, we weren't "Japanese" victims. 2/3 of us were American citizens, and the remainder of the imprisoned first-generation immigrants -- many of whom had lived in the US for decades prior to the war -- were barred from naturalization because of their race. This would remain the case until the passage of the Immigration Act of 1952[1]. And while I don't wish to be overly prickly about it since you are obviousl…

> you might want to read up on what we call the "model minority myth"[2].

That's a very interesting perspective. I can see how that could happen and how it feels for those demeaned by the comparison. Thanks for the link (and actually just for being engaging in what feels like HN becoming an increasingly hostile frenzy of flagging and downvoting everything).

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Post by nonrandomstring »

geephroh wrote: post #13
nonrandomstring wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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To be clear, we weren't "Japanese" victims. 2/3 of us were American citizens, and the remainder of the imprisoned first-generation immigrants -- many of whom had lived in the US for decades prior to the war -- were barred from naturalization because of their race. This would remain the case until the passage of the Immigration Act of 1952[1]. And while I don't wish to be overly prickly about it since you are obviousl…

> 2/3 of us were American citizens

Also, I should remember this from George Carlin.

The "you have no rights" sketch [0] should be mandatory watching for every American.

[0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xnBLZkcgyyQ

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Post by geephroh »

nonrandomstring wrote: post #15
geephroh wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To be clear, we weren't "Japanese" victims. 2/3 of us were American citizens, and the remainder of the imprisoned first-generation immigrants -- many of whom had lived in the US for decades prior to the war -- were barred from naturalization because of their race. This would remain the case until the passage of the Immigration Act of 1952[1]. And while I don't wish to be overly prickly about it since you are obviousl…

> you might want to read up on what we call the "model minority myth"[2]. That's a very interesting perspective. I can see how that could happen and how it feels for those demeaned by the comparison. Thanks for the link (and actually just for being engaging in what feels like HN becoming an increasingly hostile frenzy of flagging and downvoting everything).

Absolutely! I feel like I better understand your original comment as well, and I don't think you deserved to be piled on so aggressively. So many of our potentially thoughtful conversations are turning into circular firing squads these days.

Words do matter, but intentions matter more.

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