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7 out of every 10 Fentanyl pills seized by DEA contain a lethal dose

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Do you think legalising safer drugs, like Heroin, would be a sensible step? [Edit: I do] I advocate legalising Opium straight away. I think Heroin is a step further than required. How many people have to die from synthetic opiate overdose? The obvious public health measure is to legalise the much safer natural alternatives.

When you legalize something you get more of it. Gotta be mindful of that.

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Do you think legalising safer drugs, like Heroin, would be a sensible step? [Edit: I do] I advocate legalising Opium straight away. I think Heroin is a step further than required. How many people have to die from synthetic opiate overdose? The obvious public health measure is to legalise the much safer natural alternatives.

Oregon tried it, and it failed. So no, not they way they did it. https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/oregon-governor-signs-...

Oregon decriminalized simple possession by end users. You would still need to purchase the drugs from the exact illicit supply chain the DEA is profiling here, so it's no surprise it didn't solve the overdose crisis. Under legalization you could buy an exact dose from a licensed supplier.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Genuine question: How does it make fiscal business sense to kill your customers after one hit? It doesn't. Even making the generous assumption that the DEA is being honest here, what constitutes a lethal dose for a non-user may be substantially less than what constitutes a lethal dose for a heavy-using addict.

In college I worked in a hospital where one of the nurses was abusing fentanyl by taking the 'waste' and ordering doses for patients and not administering it. Eventually people caught on and confronted her, she offered to take a toxicology test to prove her innocence so they drew her blood. She was completely coherent, you would have a hard time knowing that she was the least bit altered, but she had something like 5…

I’m incredibly fat (300 lbs) but they never have problems knocking me out with a light dose because I have zero experience with recreational drugs or alcohol. They need to up the dosage substantially for heavy weed users.

Intellectually I would love to know how it affects her. Does she require ever-increasing doses? Did the first time put her to sleep? Is her driving impaired? So many questions…

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So maybe start with a quarter tablet? .. Genuine question: How does it make fiscal business sense to kill your customers after one hit? Edit: thank you all for your informative replies

> Genuine question: How does it make fiscal business sense to kill your customers after one hit? It doesn't. Even making the generous assumption that the DEA is being honest here, what constitutes a lethal dose for a non-user may be substantially less than what constitutes a lethal dose for a heavy-using addict.

Famously, a lot of Rock N' Roll overdoses are from former users who took a break, and then administered the dose they always recalled using, and then die from overdose.

That's how much tolerance can build. Last one of these I read about was the singer to GWAR.

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post #6

Do you think legalising safer drugs, like Heroin, would be a sensible step? [Edit: I do] I advocate legalising Opium straight away. I think Heroin is a step further than required. How many people have to die from synthetic opiate overdose? The obvious public health measure is to legalise the much safer natural alternatives.

Just because a drug doesn't kill you physically, doesn't mean it doesn't harm you in other deeply profound ways. Related: Nuggets[1]

1. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HUngLgGRJpo

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Do you think legalising safer drugs, like Heroin, would be a sensible step? [Edit: I do] I advocate legalising Opium straight away. I think Heroin is a step further than required. How many people have to die from synthetic opiate overdose? The obvious public health measure is to legalise the much safer natural alternatives.

When you legalize something you get more of it. Gotta be mindful of that.

More drugs? Why is that bad?

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post #6

Do you think legalising safer drugs, like Heroin, would be a sensible step? [Edit: I do] I advocate legalising Opium straight away. I think Heroin is a step further than required. How many people have to die from synthetic opiate overdose? The obvious public health measure is to legalise the much safer natural alternatives.

Oregon tried it, and it failed. So no, not they way they did it. https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/oregon-governor-signs-...

Oregon legalized it and then skipped doing any of the other stuff that was advertised as coming with it, like free addiction treatment, social programs, etc. It's a 'we've done nothing and we're all out of ideas' approach consistent with the state's approach to homelessness at various levels, where agencies won't even spend the money they already have because they don't even know roughly how many homeless people there are per county.

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Do you think legalising safer drugs, like Heroin, would be a sensible step? [Edit: I do] I advocate legalising Opium straight away. I think Heroin is a step further than required. How many people have to die from synthetic opiate overdose? The obvious public health measure is to legalise the much safer natural alternatives.

Oregon tried it, and it failed. So no, not they way they did it. https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/oregon-governor-signs-...

> So no, not they way they did it.

I am advocating legalisation, not decriminalisation.

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Do you think legalising safer drugs, like Heroin, would be a sensible step? [Edit: I do] I advocate legalising Opium straight away. I think Heroin is a step further than required. How many people have to die from synthetic opiate overdose? The obvious public health measure is to legalise the much safer natural alternatives.

Cigarettes are already legal despite killing 7x as many in the US as all opioids combined every day, week, month, and year. US drug policy is not about harm reduction or life saving, and never has been.

> Cigarettes are already legal despite killing 7x as many in the US as all opioids combined

Is that true? I am not denying it, but the opiate overdose rate is staggering.

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post #6

Do you think legalising safer drugs, like Heroin, would be a sensible step? [Edit: I do] I advocate legalising Opium straight away. I think Heroin is a step further than required. How many people have to die from synthetic opiate overdose? The obvious public health measure is to legalise the much safer natural alternatives.

Oregon tried it, and it failed. So no, not they way they did it. https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/oregon-governor-signs-...

Oregon legalized it and then never funded ANY of the treatment programs it was supposed to.

Um, yeah, that's not gonna work ...

It also doesn't help that many of these drugs are still illegal at the federal level. Consequently, you cannot create a legal manufacturer who can sell drugs of a known quality since the Feds can kick their door in at any point in time.

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