I wonder how much of the increase in fatal accidents is due to the increase in mobile phone use by drivers. The improvements in SS4A do not seem to address this.
Traffic deaths rise in U.S. cities despite billions spent to make streets safer
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#12Pretty much this is the cause (alongside the steady increase in SUV use). We need the opposite trend and slow traffic to induce a reduction in injuries and deaths.
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#13If the number of cars keeps increasing, so will the number of deaths. If the size of cars…. If the speed of cars…. How about reversing those trends?
>How about reversing those trends? How? Americans clearly want huge SUVs, and want to drive them very, very fast, and act like any effort to restrict these from them are attacks on their "freedoms". They even think it's an attack on their freedom if they have to pay for parking or for driving on a road.
Car drivers are forced to drive 20 MPH near schools during school opening and closing times. In tourist districts pedestrian safety and accessibility is favored over being able to drive an SUV 40 MPH down a street. In neighborhoods filled with relatively politically empowered people, roads are never straight to discourage speed, speed bumps are added, stop signs are added, and there can even be focused police traffic enforcement.
If an area has an 8 lane wide stroad with a 45 MPH speed limit then it's implied that the lives of drivers speeding through are valued over those who live in the neighborhood.
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#14If the number of cars keeps increasing, so will the number of deaths. If the size of cars…. If the speed of cars…. How about reversing those trends?
That costs money and requires regulation. Since this is the United States, we know how those two things will be received.
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#15Earlier quoted context omitted.
>How about reversing those trends? How? Americans clearly want huge SUVs, and want to drive them very, very fast, and act like any effort to restrict these from them are attacks on their "freedoms". They even think it's an attack on their freedom if they have to pay for parking or for driving on a road.
When the implied value of dismounted people is high enough, better design will happen. Car drivers are forced to drive 20 MPH near schools during school opening and closing times. In tourist districts pedestrian safety and accessibility is favored over being able to drive an SUV 40 MPH down a street. In neighborhoods filled with relatively politically empowered people, roads are never straight to discourage speed, sp…
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#16Earlier quoted context omitted.
No. I mean yeah, but no. Those things matter, but THIS change was specifically caused by the pandemic. All over America, many drivers became SIGNIFICANTLY less conscientious, for reasons left to the imagination of the reader who is assumed to also have lived through the pandemic. It almost seems like a new cultural norm of less caring about the greater good and more selfishness on the road -- antisocial behavior, in…
The pandemic was hard on people world wide, probably harder on people outside of America. Only America is seeing this trend. The pandemic and anti-social behaviour is not the cause. American people are not unique, but the built form of their cities and the type of cars they drive is. That is more likely the cause.
The classic Onion headline “‘No Way To Prevent This,’ Says Only Nation Where This Regularly Happens” refers to gun violence specifically but it applies to so much more in the U.S.
I’m not really sure what causes Americans to behave this way.
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#18If the number of cars keeps increasing, so will the number of deaths. If the size of cars…. If the speed of cars…. How about reversing those trends?
>How about reversing those trends? How? Americans clearly want huge SUVs, and want to drive them very, very fast, and act like any effort to restrict these from them are attacks on their "freedoms". They even think it's an attack on their freedom if they have to pay for parking or for driving on a road.
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#20imo it's neither car size or speed but the people operating the vehicle.
The expectation that you are your work, and you're always busy, seems to have given permission for people to be like,"My life is out of control so I will be too".
Goes hand in hand with the society not being for the care of people but for the care of bank accounts, gripe about the way they were doing capitalism these days. Setting people's wants higher and higher while simultaneously continuing down the path of stratifying society into permanent lower income class.